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I think the last statement you made is what clarifies the entire response because Winman is in fact, basing his response on that same experience having interacted with him and facing these issues in post after post. So he is actually not basing this on just "this one statement" but a consistent...

Did you not read that Enoch preached before the flood? Jude 1:14, Heb 11:5. Noah preached for 120 years before the flood warning the earth of the coming doom. 2 Peter 2:5, Heb 11:7. Furthermore there was a process that God went through before the gospel of Christ was sent out. Baffling that you...

Your post did not shoot holes in anything because you are operating with a faulty view of the entire post. You are assuming quite presumptuously that because I am dealing with one subject, that I am by neglecting God's judgment and justice by default, and because of that, you have built an...

None of that addresses the core issue of Calvinism and the biggest problem within it's system-a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of God. I'm not going to go off on rabbit trails that do not directly address the OP because anyone can raise 50 different issues that were not covered when...

The question was asked elsewhere about whether or not the sky is really blue as related to a debate about the love of God. So I will restate my answer for a primary post. Is the Sky blue or not? This depends on how one understands perceptions, actual reality, and the laws of contradiction...

Pfftt. are you serious?? I can't count how many times I've laid out all the contradictions in the Confessions, and had a few threads dedicated to JUST THAT SUBJECT, which of course, never gets to stay for very long because certain people with a vendetta against me personally make sure they...

Iconoclast Actually, yes I do get what you are saying, I just posted it! I even posted your response which I could easily just replace "CO" with "Iconoclast" :)

Willis Like I said above, the Calvinist system for perseverance of the saints is not the same as eternal security or once saved always saved straight from one of the horses mouths, and is based on WORKS. Calvinism begins by telling you that your salvation is all of God, there is no free will...

Oh I get what he's saying alright. But as in my little anecdotal there, what they MEAN is that you can't ever properly understand Calvinism unless you understand the Creeds, and since Calvinism IS the gospel, in order to understand the gospel you have to understand the creeds first, because the...

:thumbsup::thumbsup: AMEN!

Your entire argument is based on the similarities that the Rheims shares with other version prior to the KJV and conclude that that KJV is guilty by assocation. First of all of those comparisons on based on Challoner's version of the Rheims which was translated AFTER the KJV. The only one...

Calvinist Objectioner ("CO"): "They are merely a guide, the Bible is the final authority" Non Calvinist ("NC"): "Is Calvinism the Gospel? CO: "Yes, it is, and it is based on the Bible". NC: "Can I truly understand the gospel by just the Bible alone?" CO: "Yes, but if you are truly led of God...

Van This depends on how one understands perceptions, actual reality, and the laws of contradiction. If I said that the sky is blue and then said that the sky is NEVER blue, that is an explicit contradiction. If I said that the sky is blue, and then said sky is not blue, that is an apparent...

The basic objection to this post was that: *Judas wasn't saved [true] *Judas was the son of perdition [true] *Not everyone that says, "Lord, Lord" is saved [although Judas never called Jesus Lord] *Not all who are in Israel of are of Israel However, all of these objections yet fail to...

Since the ... manage to get my thread closed that addressed John 6, and left this one open, the Judas Condundrum being relevant to this OP, I'll post it here :) The biggest problem with Calvinist's interpretation of John six is not merely their fundamental misunderstanding of the word "draw"...

Bullets aren't my only weapons :) I am equally just as dangerous with a compound bow, SOGM37, nunchakus, shurikans or tooth picks, and I have a pretty nasty guillotine hold, and a triangular choke hold that I can implement within about 2 seconds from the guard position. My right cross isn't too...

What's funny about this is all his friends are justifying it. I said nothing different about Calvinism than they say about Non Calvinists. There is a thread right now started by agedman that accuses Non Calvinists of struggling with John 6. Yet that is not considered "personal". It is only when...

Now I agree, Judas wasn't saved, but you failed to answer the question in the context of which I asked it. Judas is an entirely different story, he was numbered with THE twelve. Son of perdition or NOT, you can not ignore what Jesus said about him in John 17. John 17:9-12 9 I pray for them: I...

And just what is my agenda? It certainly isn't the same as the "Zionist" agenda because most Israelites do not believe in Christ. I do. I do not support the one world order or "new" world order (like Bush, Obama, Netanyahu, Putin), I am not in the Bilderberg group. I am not on the CFR. I have no...

Now this is where I totally agree with you. It's what us some of us Non Calvinists called Once Saved Always Saved (eternal security). However, this is not all there is to it in Calvinism. In Calvinism you'll note that salvation is based on perseverance, not preservation. In eternal security, God...