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  1. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    There again though, how can one partake of the Holy Spirit through the spirit and the Word and come to two opposing beliefs? Same Spirit, same Word, opposing beliefs.??
  2. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    True, so why do Christians disagree on doctrines? Are they not all partaking? It does not stand. God permitted Moses to allow it for mercy. God permitted David to have hundreds of wives and even concubines, does that mean God does not view this as sin? This is Grace. ALL sin each and every...
  3. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    But you are leaving out the rebirth, regeneration, born of God, which is not by the will of man. Man only receives the gift, the call of the Holy Spirit to submit and allow God to do His will in the new birth. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even...
  4. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    Wonder why Peter, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, found it necessary to explain to them that they did not just lie to man but rather lied unto the Holy Ghost. He could have said something like this: "....why did you knowingly lie to the Holy Ghost?....." Additional questions; If...
  5. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    The question I ask is, how can one depart from Christ IF Christ has made them one with Him as a new creation?Christ in you! Holy Spirit and man's spirit made alive as one. How does one then escape their new found situation of being one with Christ? It's not about just saying you believe (James...
  6. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    That's interesting. So they together plotted this scheme and basically said "Let's tempt God, and lie to Him and see if He let's us get away with keeping some of this money for ourselves".
  7. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    Were they aware they were lying to the Holy Ghost and not just man?
  8. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    And that was the point being made that everyone coming together in the early church of Acts would not have been born-again either.
  9. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    If the Holy Spirit was residing in their hearts, how could Satan enter in? Is everyone in your own SDA church born again?
  10. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    Were they aware they were lying to the Holy Ghost and not just man?
  11. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    Right there is the issue. How can one reject the new birth after being recreated as one with Christ. It's not as in the OT when the Spirit was "with" someone. In the rebirth a person is transformed into a totally new creation which is one in Christ. It's also kinda stupid to think a person would...
  12. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    Through my understanding of "born again". Choice is all throughout the scripture. Once the choice is made to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, God performs the miracle of the rebirth and you are sealed forever, the heart has been changed eternally. The flesh has yet to be changed.
  13. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    Im no baptist at all but I can understand OSAS clearly from the scriptures. But I cannot see TULI.
  14. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    Was it you who said to me in another thread that you cannot judge even your own heart if you will be saved? But you can judge these two are lost?
  15. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    After years of studying and debating salvation, I have come to ponder whether a person who does not understand "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" can really have been saved by grace. The moment you...
  16. steaver

    Once Saved - once lost ???

    Isn't it odd that getting baptized with water is automatically everlasting, but getting baptized with the Holy Ghost is not?
  17. steaver

    What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

    And that then means salvation is of YOURSELF. Period. Would like to see that quote from me somewhere.....
  18. steaver

    What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

    I guess you want me to alter my question a bit to fit your answer. Ok.... Do YOU believe YOU will be damned to hell if YOU do not keep the Law and do not repent and ask for forgiveness each time?
  19. steaver

    What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

    Now back to my question.... Simple test to see if.... "you don't do that". Question: Do YOU believe YOU will be damned to hell if YOU do not keep the Law?
  20. steaver

    What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

    steaver said: ↑ you cannot then read another letter of Scripture and say that it means you are saved OF yourselves by keeping a law Simple test to see if.... "you don't do that". Question: Do YOU believe YOU will be damned to hell if YOU do not keep the Law?
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