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David, without controversy let us simply say that God is Autonomous and leave it at that.

Not what I said. Believing we come to Christ, receiving new nature simultaneous to our believing. Because we have died to sin and risen with Christ ( new position) and because we have been set free from the Law of sin and death THROUGH the Law of Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, and because we...

And because of the New Nature we have been made free from sin's dominion. Freedom is not the ability to sin if you want to. Real freedom is the ability NOT to sin. Sin is slavery. Holiness is Liberty. If the Son makes you free, you are free indeed. Sin is a tyrant. The fact that God cannot sin...

And God does righteously because sin has no place in Him. This does not negate His freedom, for sin does not give freedom. It's like saying you have to be able to potentially die to be immortal. It does not follow

You gave good verses for election ( which I believe in), but not for double predestination. And I NEVER argued for free will unto salvation. No one comes to Jesus apart from the pre-faith work of the Father through the Holy Spirit

The flaw in your argument is that it assumes that a being is not free unless that being is free to sin. IMO, that is a faulty definition of freedom. Sin is not freedom and it never brings freedom, and the ability to sin is not a requisite for freedom. Sin is a perversion, monstrosity...

It's not merely human logic. All the points can be supported by scripture, except a couple points should be revised because worded incorrectly. Point A. All who are drawn do come, but it is because they not only hear, but they also learn of God. The drawn and drawing spoken of here are those...

The ones who are drawn and come to Jesus will be raised up on the last day. A. Nowhere does it say in John 6 that everyone who is drawn will come. B. Nowhere does it say that those who did not come would never be drawn C It is speaking of ability. No one can come unless they are drawn D some...

Look at post 41 of the Pelagian boogie man thread. It was posted by TC. Do you agree with it? I said the SAME thing to you the other day and you strongly disagreed with me.

A. Everyone who learns from the Father comes to Jesus. B. Flesh and blood has not revealed it, but the Father has revealed it C. No one knows the Son save the Father. No one knows the Father except the Son, and the ones the Son wills to reveal Him So the Father reveals Christ to us, and...

The reason why God cannot do evil (and why one who is born of God does not abide in sin) is because of love. Evil is the result of not loving. Love becomes a slave/servant willingly. It is not bound, but free. Free to serve. Hatred is enslavement. Love is Liberty Jesus Willingly submitted to...

He wouldn't want to do otherwise. Therefore, His Will is both perfect and free. You still haven't defined freedom. Perhaps if you define freedom, we might get somewhere.

And also foreknowledge...

I agree. But How does this negate freedom? How do you define freedom?

No one said that God wills His nature. He wills according to His nature, but His Will is free I think the disagreement is the result of varying definitions of freedom. How do you define freedom?

It was up to Shem, Ham, and Japheth to pass down the knowledge to their children, who in turn pass it down to their children, down the line. But man ended up corrupting the knowledge and choosing to serve the creature rather than the Creator. It's just like today. If we don't teach our...

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They were saved by faith. Abel, Enoch, Noah, etc were saved by faith, and they already had a sacrificial system, ordained by God in Eden, which did not take away sins ( the blood of bulls and goats never did), but pointed forward to Christ ( though they did not fully know and understand) They...

Man's will is bound to the Law of sin and death UNTIL it is DELIVERED by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. After that, we are joined to Christ and no longer under sins dominion. Hallelujah! Agree that God is free! Nothing outside of Himself can coerce or limit Him. And He is...

They were saved by faith. Everyone who has ever been justified and saved has been justified and saved by faith. The Law never saved anyone. It was a tool to govern and preserve God's people until the Promised Seed, and also to show people they were/are sinners in need of a Saviour. Blessings...