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Reformed quote- quote- The preaching of the gospel is as much a proclamation of judgment to those who reject Christ as it is a message of hope to the Elect. How is it possible for them to reject Christ if He did not die for them? You cannot reject something that is not offered to you.

You all don't even try to understand one's view. Your reply demonstrates that you are not listening. Quote- Can all men repent (and by inference believe)? If the Gospel is preached and the Spirit convicts, man can repent and believe by the Grace of God. quote- Will all men repent and...

Yes, Jesus is the author and finisher of my faith. If you don't think I believe that, you are not reading my posts with understanding. Read my sig.

Believing is not a work.

Btw, Dave. The OP is not about saved people. It is about unsaved people When the command is given to repent and believe the Gospel, is it given to saved or unsaved people? If they were already saved, they would already have repented and would already be believing. Therefore, the Gospel is...

A. No one said anything about a Law to keep B. No one said we initiate our salvation. (At least, I definitely did not ) C. These things I wrote unto you that you might believe, and believing you might have life in His Name. BTW, this thread has NOTHING TO DO with works salvation. You are...

You need to keep the Corinthians verse in its context. Go back and read it in CONTEXT. Faith is both the condition and the fruit of salvation. Go back and read what Paul said and what the jailer asked Him. What mode was the verb believe? It is not a conditional clause (if you believe, you...

Including us before we were saved. But please do not ignore the rest of the verse. Jesus said they are condemned already BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE. John 1:18 Why would they be condemned for not believing in something that, according to Calvinists, does not pertain to them?

Nice string of Strawmen. Practically an army of scarecrows. Where does it say in the Bible that initial justifying and sanctifying faith is a result of being already saved? The righteous are justified by faith. The reprobate are condemned due to unbelief. But as someone said, they were...

I agree. My point is that in Calvinism men are commanded to believe "good news" that is not even intended for them, commanded to believe on a Saviour that did not die for them, and condemned for unbelief, and I wonder what they are supposed to believe if Jesus did not die for them? Does God...

Do you think salvation can be rejected? If not, why are the non elect commanded to believe a Gospel that does not apply to them... which would be the case if Jesus didn't die for them. If Jesus did not die for them, then salvation is not intended for them, and the Gospel of salvation does not...

if Jesus did not die for all, than it is impossible for those who are not elect to reject salvation. (Under Calvinism). For it is impossible to reject a gift that is not intended for you.

sorry about the confusion. Of course God has freedom to save whom He will. I thought you were asking me Free will unto salvation (for man) as in "man is free enough initiate his own regeneration I am neither Pelagian nor semi Pelagian. The way I understand it God always initiates regeneration...

But you forget that John 3:21 is giving THE REASON why people do not come to the Light. Did you agree that coming to the Light is synonymous to coming to Jesus. People do not come to the Light because their deeds are evil and the Light will expose their deeds. So the reason why they will not...

So you don't think a person's motivation/purpose for doing something is a cause of their action? The verses in John 3:20-21 is talking about reasons why people do or do not come to the Light. Read them again and see. So reasons why people do or don't do things have no causal effect on their...

Ok, so the statement "you do not believe because you are not my sheep" is a statement of fact in the same manner as John 3:21 And who are Jesus' sheep? The ones who listen to His voice and follow Him. They were not His sheep because they do not listen to His voice. Also, "all that the Father...

Ok, so in context of this passage, would you say that coming to Jesus is synonymous with believing in Jesus? ...and would you say that men come to Jesus/ believe on Jesus because they practice truth or that they practice truth because they come to/believe onJesus? In other words, is coming...

well you quoted up to John 3:20, so it's actually only one verse removed from what you quoted and two from what I quoted, and in the immediate context of the passage cited in the OP, so I can't imagine how you would think that's far off... Let me examine your answer and I will reply shortly...

would you mind doing a brief exegesis of John 3:21 for me? I may have something to show you.

So you serve the Lord unwillingly? What a shame. Just kidding. I think we both serve the Lord joyfully and lovingly and heartily. And a sinner serves sin joyfully and lovingly and heartily. And then some are like Romans 7, wanting to do right and unable. The will wills what it wants to will...