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a careful exegesis of Romans 11 and the whole Bible reveals a future restoration of Israel, though it will happen through a time of great trouble, pruning, and Divine intervention.

spiritual Israel is all believers, whether Jew or Gentile. But the Israel that is blinded, will one day see. Yet,the Bible would seem to say that it will take a time of great trouble followed by a miraculous intervention from God. the prophets spoke of these things, including Ezekiel and...

Do you mean the Israel spoken of in Romans 11:11-12, and verses 15, 23, and verses 27-30?

so in context, the preceding and following verses, who is this talking about?

there is no “if”. EVERYONE who puts faith in Christ is saved. question. Does faith and justification happen instantantaneoslyat the same time? how about regeneration and faith?

we being wild branches are grafted in, but Israel’s PARTIAL blindness is temporary, UNTIL the fulness of Gentiles are brought in. the fulness of the Elect Gentiles, that is

If they do not happen simultaneously, there is a temporal (time) gap. I see no need for that, neither scriptural nor logically just like there is no time gap between regeneration and faith, nor between faith and justification

Romans 11 reveals future for Israel

What is your view on regeneration? How we understand regeneration is a hinge as to how we understand the other aspects of salvation

I agree that that is the logical order. I just do not see any temporal gap between the two in scripture it’s just like justification and faith. You cannot be justified apart from faith, but justification occurs simultaneously with faith, right? so why would there be any temporal gap between...

I think we agree and are on the same page in this.

second reply... I don’t think the OT saints grasped fully the work that Christ would do. It had not been fully revealed to them, only in shadows and types sometimes people prophesied, I think, without understanding the full implication of what they were saying. Like when Abraham said “God will...

I for the most part love your post. Just want to be clear about the Calvin part. I am not a Calvinist, though I find some Calvinist teachers to be deeply edifying I have not come to my views by studying Calvin or Calvinists. I came to them by studying scripture. The thing I learned by studying...

the only thing Ephesians 1:13 states as a prerequisite to being sealed is the hearing of faith you are conflating election and salvation. Election happened in eternity past, salvation occurs in time

1. I do not believe in positive/positive double predestination 2. I do not claim to be able to wrap my head around election. 3. I have not embraced the Arminian view of election. I have not fully embraced the Calvinist view either. I find difficulties with both sides. So because of apparent...

I completely accept what these verses say. But they do not overrule or cancel out what Paul said in Romans 11 either. The Israel of God is that Olive tree in Romans 11. Some, not all, of the natural branches broken off and we grafted in. God is able to graft the natural branches back in. Then...

baptism into Christ and sealed by the Spirit are both results of saving faith. So why shouldn’t they be simultaneous? we were foreknown before the foundation of the world. God does not take in new knowledge.

We are elect according to the foreknowledge of God. The rest of your post I am fine with, except I hold that spiritual baptism and indwelling are two aspects of the same event. We are baptized into Christ and the Spirit indwells us the moment we believe. On that we can agree to disagree. I don’t...

I would put election first, as we were chosen before the foundation of the world. Spiritual baptism, Conversion, indwelling, happen at the same time. Salvation is elect, predestined, called, regenerated, justified, adopted sanctified, and glorified, all are comprehended in salvation. Works...

In Christ, where there is neither Jew nor Gentile. (Galatians 3:28) We will reign with Christ on the earth. Revelation 5:10 That goes back to "in the regeneration, you shall sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes."