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Pau is saying here that the election of grace to salvation is only by the grace of God without works. The works come after salvation to bring forth fruits for the Master.

You must come to the realization that we are saved by grace through faith alone, Cathode. Paul is speaking here of our initial salvation by grace and no works. Rom. 11:5-6 "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then...

I agree all of that is needed and will be supplied by faith. But all of that comes AFTER we are saved by grace through faith alone. I have shown you before in one of our conversations how our salvation is either works or faith it can't be both. Do you remember the Scripture where works...

Of course I understand what they are saying, I've already explained it. I separate works from my faith that saved me (my initial salvation), and then those works are proving my submission to Christ by producing fruits that have been planned and organized for me by the Holy Spirit. I live my...

Would you agree that the Love of God comes from being born-again through the indwelling Holy Spirit?

Where does love come from? Rom. 5:5 "And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us."

You still don't understand that Love is a byproduct of the faith that saves.

Cornelius believed God and loved him, but he was not saved because he didn't know his salvation was in Christ, the reason God sent Peter to him. But you are technically correct. Although I'm speaking of the natural man that did not know God as Cornelius.

If you can't understand that before being born-again there can be no Godly love in man, and that man is saved by faith and repentance alone, I would say you're a Catholic. One that must work his way to heaven, seeking the other Door that Christ spoke of.

Man is naturally depraved from the Fall, he can have no Godly love or express it in any way, until AFTER he believes and is born anew. The initial faith that Paul is speaking of is purely faith in Christ Jesus, the Godly love that accompanies faith is after salvation.

No Cathode, If you don't understand anything I've said, understand this. I am separating works from faith in the initial salvation that saves the soul. Faith and repentance is where our salvation lies, but the faith is a submitting faith to Christ, strong in works AFTER the initial salvation...

We are all excited when we get saved, got to tell someone or bust. I remember when my Dad was saved at 75, the next day he talking to the neighbors telling them he was going to Church and was saved. He invited them to come to Church telling them he had never felt so free. I wouldn't have...

If you don't understand this, Cathode, the Protestant will always be a mystery to you.

Paul tells us straight out that works have nothing to do with our salvation. James is explaining the quality of the of the faith that saves. The quality of faith that submits to the Holy Spirit and allows fruits to be produced through a working faith.

The problem I see in Cathode's post and can't agree with it is that it teaches faith + works = salvation. "For are saved by grace through faith, not of works, lest any should boast." Cathode is placing James and Paul at odds with one another on works, that is not what is happening.

As a born-again believer in Christ we can walk in the flesh or walk in the Spirit, by grace through faith you position in Christ has not changed. Gal. 5:16-17 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the...

Faith is about "walking in the Spirit" as Paul told us to do. That is placing our faith in Christ and submitting our lives to Him allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us in Truth. None what you have said can be done without that submitting and allowing the Holy Spirit to work through us.

And that's why I'm a Protestant. You are working your whole lives on the earth to earn salvation. Misinterpreting James and doing exactly what Paul said not to do. I'm working my whole life because I'm saved, the moment I believed I was placed safe and secure in Jesus Christ. My...

@C Yes, If a man is truly born-again he will do these things. I do these things quite often through the Church for those in need and on a person to person basis in the Christian spirit. It's our nature to do these things. If you can understand the following you will understand the traditional...

That was my public profession of faith. My original profession of faith that granted me the grace of God to salvation was made in my heart when I heard and believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I was saved, washed in the Blood, born-again a new creation in Christ at that very moment. No, no...