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we are not discussing the fact that every sinner needs to be first convicted by the Holy Spirit, of their sinfulness and lostness and need for Jesus Christ to save them. No sinner can ever come to Jesus for salvation on their own, this is not possible. God must be the first to convict of sin...

deceived on some important Doctrines, because they are theologically blinded.

It is God's desire to see all repent and are saved, but because He has in His Wisdom, made humans with a free will, as He did the angels, He has given this freedom to humans to accept or reject the Gospel Message for their salvation.

but you are preaching a false Gospel, because God only really intends to save a few, so to tell the whole world that God loves them, is a LIE!

so, Jesus Christ goes to the cross for the sins of the whole human race. But, all along God the Father only intended to save an "elect" from the human race. So, why not just die for them? Why say in His Word, that Jesus died for the entire human race, what exactly was this for then?

are you of the The Byzantine textform?

how do you arrive at this? So the "world" is limited, as is "whosoever"?

there are always one or two. but this board shows a real hostility to the love and salvation of the Lord for the lost, unelect, so called...

it does not say that. it very clearly says that they were "disobedient".

you tell me?

and the coldness from the Reformed camp! I know because I have seen this very often over the 35+ years that I have been a believer here in England, and read about it in the USA and elsewhere

Hebrews 3 and 4 talks about those Jews who were disobedient to the Lord, who will not enter His eternal rest. This is spiritual

so WHO does John 3:16, for example include?

your THEOLOGY

The Reformed teaching of the Cross and who Jesus wants saved, does NOT agree with the Bible, except when verses have been so twisted that they say what these believe.

through duty. Why do you suppose we have the likes of Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Rob Bell, etc, etc? Because the "Reformed" teaching that excluded the majority in their theology, drove these people away from the hard line, love lacking Churches that are thankfully on the decline.

how about the fact, that the nation Israel was God "elect", and the "apple of His eye", and yet God rejected them as His "elect nation"? Paul argues this very thing in Romans 9-11, where he warns Gentile believers that they too could be "cut off"/ So much for your "election"!

in your opinion. I know what I hold to for over 35 years in Textual Studies.

Surely they should tell the world, that the Lord hates the greater majority of them, because this is exactly what their theology teaches!

I am speaking of the Calvinistic/Reformed understanding of "elect".