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  1. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    what is wrong with your "theology", is that you have God send His Gospel Message for the salvation of ALL sinners, without exception; but has made sure that those who are not predetermined by Him to salvation, He has left unable to respond, as He has not given them the same "grace". This is a...
  2. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    that is not what we are talking about. It is whether ALL who have the Gospel preached to them, have the "ability" given by the Holy Spirit by His convicting, to either accept or reject the Gospel of salvation. If God "regenerates" the elect, and thereby enabling them to accept the Gospel, then...
  3. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    you can't have it both ways! If, as you say, that it is God Who "enables" the elect to respond to His Call; then it can only be, that He does not do the same for those who are non-elect. In which case they are not really "rejecting" Jesus, nor be accountable, as they have not been given any...
  4. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

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  5. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    Or, as the best text has it, "repentance for remission of sins" that said. The fact remains, that some believe that God regenerates the hearts of the elect before they can respond to the Gospel call, thereby enabling them to believe the Gospel and be saved. If, this is something only for the...
  6. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    Not so. A person that is not a believer is not necessary a follower of the devil! They are blind by the devil to stop them believing the Gospel and being saved. This cannot be their fault, as it is outside of their power. However, when they hear the Gospel Message, the Holy Spirit convicts them...
  7. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    If God "enables" only His elect to receive the Gospel and be saved, then what is the purpose in preaching the same Gospel to the non-elect, seeing that God know full well that they can NEVER accept it, as He is not enabled them to? This makes God into a deceiver!
  8. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    I am speaking of the God-given ability to respond to His call to salvation, which is only possible with the pre-convicting of God the Holy Spirit.
  9. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    always glad to be reminded! :D. The question that I have for you Mr Cassidy, what exactly is this CALL? Is it to REPENTANCE and FAITH (Mark 1:15)?
  10. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    in John chapter 5, Jesus was in conversation with some Jews who wanted to murder Him. see verses 16-18. In verse 19 we read, "So Jesus said to them...", and the rest of the chapter is to these Jews. In verses 24-25, Jesus tells these same Jews, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word...
  11. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    "Propitiation", is the choice of some English versions of the Bible, following the Latin Vulgate. However, "sin-offering" is what the Greek means as used in the LXX and defined by the Greek lexicon of Liddell and Scott.
  12. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    more theology...please give Scripture instead!
  13. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    now, if the Bible says, "especially", why would you change that to "only". Does the Bible affect your theology?
  14. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    We have to choose the word that the original language allows, and it seems best from LXX use of the Hebrew, that "sin-offering" is the term. I am open to sensible suggestions though
  15. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    No you speak in riddles! God has provided the means for ALL sinners, but only the elect will be saved, because God will only "call" the elect? In which case, God is insincere with the non-elect!
  16. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    Well, that is YOUR personal theology. We are more interested in what the Bible actually teaches. 1 john 2:2 is very clear that there is NO "limit" on Jesus' saving only the "elect".
  17. Saved-By-Grace

    Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

    Yes, "sin-offering" is a far better and more Biblical term to use.
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