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I know it's difficult to entertain another perspective besides your own, but that is what is required if you want to actually engage that other perspective rather than "strawman" and "question beg" it to death. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without...

Maybe Tozer can explain it better: "God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God...

OR, Pointing out the self-evident fact that your replies don't reflect understanding of my point isn't meant to insult. It is meant to inform you and others reading that your replies are not reflecting one who has understood the point being made. I'm sorry that you feel I was insulting...

MOD HAT ON: Let's be reminded (myself included) that we need to address the subject not the individual and stay on topic. Like our mommas used to say, "If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all." Thanks. :)

Fallacies: 1. False Dichotomy - the either-or fallacy, fallacy of false choice, black-and/or-white thinking. 2. Question begging - presuming true the very point up for debate. Amen! :godisgood:

I said I'm presuming the latter, which was that you still simply don't understand...nothing pejorative about that...just self evident fact based on your response. It only doesn't work if you presume that 'God's purposes' (the term I used) is to irresistibly attempt to save people, but can't...

Huh? Please quote the exact phrase I used that lead you to this conclusion, so I can see exactly how badly you misunderstood me. Or do you just presume that any leader who doesn't control the nature, desires and ultimately the good and bad choices of everyone is a weak and indecisive leader...

:laugh: Ok brother, ok...whatever you need to tell yourself... but just because you imposed the "Reformed" purposes into my definition of Sovereignty doesn't mean it supports your premise. It just means you are being purposefully misleading, daft or you've still yet to understand the...

Just because I affirm God's power over man's will doesn't mean I'm affirming that God overpower's man's will. I have the power to physically force my daughter to obey, but I may choose to allow her to make a decision without the use of force and let her suffer the consequences. That choice on...

And he must have created me just as I am, determining for me to call you out on your errors. :laugh: Check mate. Listen carefully Aaron. God's purpose is not to save them regardless of their willingness to be save. His purpose is to save the willing...those who freely come to him for...

Brother, you are not following my argument. No one is denying God's power or ability to overtake our wills. If God wanted to blind everyone on while walking on a road (like Paul) or use a storm and a big fish to convince them all to believe (like Jonah) he could. He could show up to...

Sovereignty defined by Calvinists = God must play both sides of the Chess board to ensure his victory. True Biblical Sovereignty = God is so powerful, mightly, wise and good that he is able to conquer any free moral creature, regardless of his FREE sinful choices, and accomplish His purposes...

I wouldn't expect that you would be unless he was complete agreement with you on all matters. Do you mean when I showed the historical split in the Calvinistic camp over the different approaches to the doctrine of atonement, which is well documented and known by anyone who has any formal...

“Lest some suppose, from what has been said by us, that we say that whatever occurs happens by a FATAL NECESSITY, because it is foretold as known beforehand, this too we explain. We have learned from the prophets, and we hold it to be true, that punishments, chastisements, and good rewards, are...

Yes, which made it impossible for them to receive the 'deep things of the Spirit' (the meat) which Paul was referring to just a few verses before. Thanks for helping to debuke one of Calvinism's favorite proof texts. :thumbsup:

Then why would you so badly misrepresent what we believe? Either you need to be taught what we believe or you need to stop purposefully misrepresenting us. We do not believe one merits salvation (which by definition is 'works based salvation.') Read WITBOTL's post as at least he is willing to...

Three major problems with your interpretation: 1. Paul calls the brethren in Corinth 'carnal.' (1 Cor 3) 2. Proving someone is an enemy doesn't prove they can't respond willingly to God's appeal for reconciliation, that's the presumption you are reading into this text because it never...

Let's look at the 1 Cor 2:14 text brother: But as it is written: What no eye has seen and no ear has heard, and what has never come into a man's heart, is what God has prepared for those who love Him. Now God has revealed them to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the...

One at a time: Calvinists often turn to Rom 8:7: "the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God." I agree that we are born in a sinful state that is hostile to God's law and that as long as we...

Percho and others, I hope my response to WITBOTL also addresses some of your questions and points. If not, please let me know as I am trying to same time. Thanks