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This is a very gross implication of this verse. This verse does not say that He has SAVED them that are sanctified, but has PERFECTED them that are sanctified. μιᾷ γὰρ προσφορᾷ τετελείωκεν[Perfect Active Indicative] εἰς τὸ διηνεκὲς τοὺς ἁγιαζομένους[PRESENT Passive Participle] The present...

Not one single one of these verse makes a distinction between an effectual call and a general call (Not to mention that you are again quoting confessions like they are Scripture). Not one single verse listed states that a man is MADE willing. Psalm 110:3 says that God's people "shall be...

Now you're just playing games because you initially argued AGAINST this in your original post.

If the will is always bound by nature, and even Christians were by nature children of wrath, then nobody would ever be saved because the believer would have always been bound to his sinful nature.

They proof text John 1:13 and skip over John 1:12 where RECEIVING Christ came before getting the POWER TO BECOME the sons of God. In Calvnism, you get the POWER to RECEIVE. They got it backwards. And then there's the matter of them constantly refering to faith as a gift which is NO WHERE in the...

You are building your own caricature of this issue, and then critiquing your own caricature. It's not the soul that has the body parts, it's the body, and Matthew 10 (and other verses) show that both soul and body are part of the person in hell.

Even if it were true that these features were not possessed by the Rich Man, and it's merely an anthropomorphism, it would still not change the fact that this is not a parable. It's a real story, with a burning man that had a soul and body, dead in sin talking to Abraham (Even though Calvinists...

You've been reading too many Watchtower magazines "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28

Certainly Millennial Exclusion is not Biblical, but it's beyond ironic and downright comical to watch Amelliennial Calvinists who don't believe in a millennium AT ALL arguing with someone about ME :tonofbricks: Hmmm...Orville Redenbacher or Purim Popcorn...decisions, decisions:tongue3: Like...

Not only is the phrase "ratson" in the majority of manuscripts THEY use, the MV's don't even translate any alternate renderings, they just remove it altogether.

Um, you weren't too far off when pointing out the redefining definitions in her Calvinism. Check out the above definitions of faith. Faith is a fruit, but yet Calvinism says faith is a gift. Fruit can be the result of a work, but if faith is a work (as Calvinism erroneously defines it), that...

I'll respond PM on that since I just saw your message about it. And yeah, forgiven for the transliteration because it's not even close LOL , and 1 Cor 11:11 is Greek.

It is one thing to have various accounts that harmonize with each other when examined, quite another to have accounts that have explicit contradictions among each other.

Even atheists use the plethora of bible versions against Christians. The multitude of so many translations is an indictment against Christianity. When the Romney/Osama campaign was underway, the Atheist's put out a billboard: "Sadistic God, Useless Savior, 30,000+ Versions of Truth"

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How long does one have to have sin present until one determines that a professed believe wasn't/isn't "saved in the first place"? Does a slip of the tongue prove it? Twenty Four hours? One week? One month? A Year? Denying Christ 3 times? Arguing with God about eating pork? Disobeying the Holy...

Be careful, when I said something like that I was accused of blasphemy

"Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian" Acts 26:28 How would you like to be "almost" saved :eek:

Some of those Baptist churches are not KJVO that include that statement, and then some include that statement that ARE KJVO, but want to make a distinction from other Baptist churches that hold to a position that the KJV "corrects" the Greek (a misunderstanding of Ruckman's position on the KJV)...

Speaking of birds of a feather:applause: