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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    No, I'm not addressing translations (yet). If individual words found in manuscript copies are the same (collectively determined to be 'original') as would have been in the autographs, then those copied words must be as appropriate ('accurate'), inerrant, and infallible as the first time those...
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    Christian definitives for older words and their definitions

    Nothing that is ironclad; but church historians were already recording a squabble over the calendar date that the Resurrection should be celebrated before 200 AD. The geographically widespread acceptance of it at that time suggests an even early tradition. But I wrote "likely" mostly because...
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    Christian definitives for older words and their definitions

    I never said that it could. I was making the point that lexicons are not infallible or inerrant. How are you going to know that? I know you don't have Greek dictionary from the 1st century AD. Maybe not by that name, but he likely did celebrate the Lord's resurrection.
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    Christian definitives for older words and their definitions

    I didn't say that. I stated a general truth: "Words change through use and dictionaries then must also change." Every comment does not have a specific bearing on the larger issue. I know in English that the word "bat" can be a wooden club in which to strike a ball, or "bat" can be a small...
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    Christian definitives for older words and their definitions

    Dictionaries and lexicons record how words are used, they do not determine the meaning of the words. Words change through use and dictionaries then must also change. I don't believe Thayer's lexicon is as infallible as you seem to think. For example, the Greek word lychnos (Srong's #3088) is...
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    DHK, I appreciate that you have consistently stated your position. However, you seem to be incapable of giving a direct answer to my question. I'm not certain you understand the essence of my question. I think the closest you may have come to addressing my question was if you agreed that the...
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    Norlie/ESV

    You'll be happy to know that I've started to read my copy of Norlie straight through. Since Norlie retained all of the KJV readings it is virtually a TR-based version.
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    Christian definitives for older words and their definitions

    Yes it does, because Post #72 does not address the numerous times 'ester' (and similiar spellings of 'easter') are used in early English translations.
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    True, but that does not explain how the same original language words in manuscript copies are different from those in the autographs. True, but that does not explain in what way accurately copied words in manuscript copies are different from those in autographs. True, but that does not...
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    Do you deny that ALL of God's words (even the unwritten ones) are preserved? Your conclusion is false; it is the words that appear on the original MSS that are inspired, not the "something" they were written on.
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    Clearly, you have misread my post. First, I'm not (almost) dishonest. Second, I have not "sliced and diced" your post; your first paragraph was quoted in full (just in two parts) without a single word omitted. Third, I did not accuse you of making it look like you "didn't use" a phrase; in fact...
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    Christian definitives for older words and their definitions

    Since when is the KJV the standard by which judge what a Greek word means? (with apolgies to Dr. Strong). Nonetheless, please read some other early English translations (start perhaps with Tyndale).
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    Christian definitives for older words and their definitions

    Of course it was. There is no translation without interpretation. Why? Because words only have meaning in context. The context must be understood to determine the meaning of individual words. Of course, the individual words must be understood to determine the context. Sound circular? Thus, a...
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    If you cannot deny either of the premises then you cannot really deny the conclusion.
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    Your statement directly above makes it sound like you believe the men were inspired, rather than the words they wrote. Your statement directly above makes it sound like you believe the original parchments were inspired, rather than the words that were written on them. Words are not things...
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    It doesn't matter which MSS are examined for my question. They all have accurate words, and they all some scribal errors. I want to know why the accurate words are no longer considered 'inspired' in the places where they are exactly the same as in the original language autograph. Try this as a...
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    I have said nothing about translations. I want you to tell me how the God-chosen accurate words in the original language in a manuscript copy are different than the same words in the autograph. Don't tell me how the accurate words may be surrounded by human errors; I want to know why the...
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    Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.

    And the people determined that these were inspired books from manuscript copies (not the autographs). And most of those very same words were copied accurately, and where God's chosen words without error remain in original language MSS they are just as inspired as the first time they written down.
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    A little help

    I'm [hypothetically] taking your approach with my nextdoor neighbor. He came over complaining that my Southern Gospel music was "bothering" him. I told him I can't just change for one person (and afterall, I know it is a 'good witness' for him to hear the words). He looked kinda tired or mad...
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