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This is not even worth arguing about with you because you even said that Philip Schaaf did not support the views against Calvin and I posted from his Church History Volume 8 an entire list of atrocities that Calvin committed in addition to those he had killed. You can post all the revisionist...

Yet the scripture in 1 John 3:15 teaches that if a man hates his brother he is a murderer, and no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Now that doesn't mean that a murderer can't be saved (Paul for example), but this man claimed to be saved, and CONTINUED with impunity to slaughter...

And apparently, you don't know the difference between a declarative statement, and an interrogatory statement. I am ASKING what he said for clarification, I'm sure he can defend himself if that's not what he meant or said. But hey, please don't burn me at the stake for disagreeing with you!

And I'm sure you meant to capitalize the "But" after the Dr., and I'm sure you meant to make a full sentence out of your first paragraph, unless you meant to say that my logic isn't pejorative. If that's what you meant, thanks for the compliment. And funny that you claim "most if not all KJVO...

OK so at least you believe that you can come to Christ of your own free will, is that correct?

The Holy Spirit was not operating during the time of Genesis 3 as He is today: "But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified" John 7:39 "And, behold, I send the promise of my...

And I don't disagree with that. But it is a faulty premise if your assumption is that faith is something that has to be given. If faith is a response to the gospel by believing what it says about Christ, then what is received can only come from above and nowhere else, then John 3:27 applies...

Part 2 pft Do I really have to spell that out for you? Your original dogmatic assertion was that "faith comes from hearing the word of God not from us. It's a gift". If faith is a gift, then it is given. What your statement implies is that there is a mediator between the gift and the...

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OK so now the debate goes from what the Bible says to having to interpret a confession. This is exactly why I chose not to respond to Iconoclasts postings of these confessions. But now since we're there.... The grammatical structure of these statements are all separated by semicolons, each...

Can you show that in Genesis chapter 3. You can't just quote a doctrinal statement of another man and add something to the Bible that isn't there.

I explained ROmans 10:17 in the above post to P4T. In Gal 3:23, Paul is referring to a specific faith that came in the NT, not faith in general. If faith did not come until the NT, then Habakkuk 2:4 is out of place, and so is Hebrews chapter 11 with the testimonies of an entire group of OT...

You said faith is a gift from God. Granted, I'll give it to you, you did not use Eph 2:8. or 1 Cor 12. So then I'll give you the opportunity to show me where the Bible says faith is a gift. If you can't show in the Bible that faith is a gift from God, then not only did I not use a straw man...

First of all, *I* didn't start it, and I showed what thread it started from. Perhaps you entered into your defense not knowing where it started from. And it appears you just ignored everything I said previously about my education so I'll not respond any further to your comment about it.

And I thoroughly explained post by post how your straw-man analysis was wrong and then showed how you did the exact same thing with even 4 more posts than mine that did not include Bible verses ("MY TURN" http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1985461&postcount=167) When I say that I use...

So do you take the Mormon position that Satan and Jesus are brothers or the Taoist position that evil and good are the same, because Job 1 clearly shows that Satan used the whirlwind to attack Job. "And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put...

On the baptism issue, this is why I do not debate creeds because they can be ambigious, and it forces you to interpret the creed instead of interpreting the Bible, but since I believe you will constantly throw the creeds out there, I'll pick one> CHAPTER 29; OF BAPTISM Paragraph 1. Baptism is...

I have not misstated Calvinism. I have watched the statements of all of the Calvinists on the Natural Disasters thread and seen how Calvinism has been applied and the consensus is that God controls ALL THINGS. I have read all of Calvin's Institutes, and it is uniform within Calvinism God...

Once again, you are cherry-picking certain parts of my statements out of context: I'm not debating election in that statement: the rest of that sentence is "then would it not follow that a saved person's belief system would also be preordained and covered under election". I will debate election...

But if everything God does is perfect, then how can you claim that anything that He preordains can be fallable? That is the logical conclusion of your statement. If anything about God's preordination can not be considered infallable, then neither is your preordained election. So you don't have a...