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Well, actually, in the Calvinistic system the work of God is regeneration, which makes men willing to repent and believe. Faith is still said to be man's. "You of little faith..." "Your faith has healed you..." "His faith was weak...." "Their faith was strong...." etc. Calvinists, at...

Very well said. I may steal that. :applause:

Aaron backed himself into a corner by insisting that we believe in works based salvation. He asks, "Is faith good?" Because he wants us to say, "Yes, it is good." And then he can say, "See, you believe you are saved by good works!" Because he thinks anything that is good must be meritorious...

That is right Winman, and Aaron is smart enough to recognize that he was caught in this inconsistency, which is why he responded with such a hateful post. It is as blatant a display of childish avoidance I've ever seen. Summary: Aaron: You believe men merit or earn their salvation. Us: No...

Yet, earlier when ask to define 'good,' you insisted that only God was good? How can it be that God is the only good yet he created something good? I would venture to say that Calvinism holds men in much higher regard than we do. After all, you believe the lost hate a God who first hated...

Are you arguing that every lexicon teaches the only use of the word 'good' in scripture is meaning 'meritorious' (as in deserving grace or salvation?) Please provide the link or quote that provided support for such a claim. And can you tell us how that fits in with all the many texts quoted...

As I suspected. You define 'good' as that which is meritorious and there in lies your problem. You presume faith is 'good' thus 'meritorious,' and thus dismiss our view as salvation by merit, but that is an inaccurate representation of our view. Faith doesn't merit grace in our view. The...

Who says everyone from Pagan nations have rejected God's natural revelation? I submit that some acknowledged God and feared Him based on the clear natural revelation of Himself. If natural revelation isn't sufficient to allow man to respond by acknowledging God as God, then its not sufficient...

Seems to be a distinction without a difference to me. I believe scripture is clear that the payment is made for all. 2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying...

Both...answer the questions for both. Tell us how it is not good to believe God exists from either view point. In doing so, you too will finally acknowledge the distinction I've been attempting to draw for the last 20 pages. There is a difference in meritorious (deserving favor) and moral (in...

It's a peace that surpasses understanding. Indescribable. It would be somewhat comparable to a seeing person trying to describe the colors of a beautiful sunrise to someone born blind. You can try, but it will pale in comparison to experiencing it for yourself.

Aaron, Since you obviously won't listen to me, maybe you will listen to a fellow Calvinist: Before anything else, we must first specify what kind of good works Total Depravity is talking about regarding what men are incapable of doing so. Of course we all know that a sinner can obey...

I specifically requested you NOT to try and confound this issue. How would any of US have a point of view from Heaven? Scripture certainly doesn't tell us that it is EVER not good to believe God exists, from ANY view point, so I don't see how this question has any relevance whatsoever. It...

Well, yes and no. He overlooked sin for a time according to the passages I referenced. I agree that he will judge sin. Their accounts were credited with righteousness for the same reason ours are. God is gracious enough to accept a mustard seed size of faith. Their revelation may not have...

I'm with Amy on this one... I have no idea what you are talking about, Winman. Sorry. I've been studying theology my entire life and have never heard anything like that... :confused:

I'm not apposed to that explanation. The application of the atoning work of Christ only benefits those who believe, but you have to sincerely believe it is a work available for all to make that claim, something true 'limited atonement believing' Calvinists can't really claim IMO. It's like...

Aaron, lets break your argument down in very simple terms, and don't try to dodge and confound this simple post: 1. Is it GOOD to believe God exists? Yes or No? 2. If no, explain why it is not good to believe that God exists. 3. If yes, then explain how demons (bad trees) do it?

Right, and he did so in response to a man calling him 'good.' So, what have we learned? God determines what is good and what is NOT. And apparently trees and fruit, which are not themselves GOD, can still be called 'good,' yet you have refused to define what you think that means. What do you...

No, I believe God, in his mercy, can look over their sin (as he did for those in the OT who had yet to come to know of Christ, ref Rom 3; 2 Cor 5), and choose to apply Christ's atoning work as an act of Grace. In other words, there is only one way to heaven, through Christ and God's grace. Not...

I thought you said nothing was good except God? Now you think trees are good and their fruit is good? How is that? Hmmmm The account of blind Bartimaeus according to Aaron: God: (effectually makes Bart able to see) Bart: "Jesus help me to see" Jesus: "Your faith has made you well...