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AVL1984, Again you call me a liar but you don't show me where. I made the comment that I suspect Warren would be in full support of the devotional on the PDL website and am honest enough to identify it as just my "unconfirmed" opinion and you call me a liar? I am disappointed in the lack of...

Webdog, please email me if you have personal issues or questions. I still haven't heard from you. My version of our previous web encounter differs from yours. Brian

Dr. Bob, If Saddleback isn't seeker sensitive, then why is this one their website: First, they are not Seeker-sensitive: http://www.pastors.com/article.asp?ArtID=3848 Then, they are: http://www.pastors.com/RWMT/?id=16&artid=516&expand=1 Like I've said, there is duplicity with Warren so...

Dr. Bob, Have you read the paper that I wrote on Warren's teaching on "exponential growth"? The link is here: http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/questions/RickWarren_growth.html You'll find that I have done my homework and am critiquing Warren on his misuse of scripture and...

I did not specifically address YOU as a liar, so you must have been convicted about something, eh? Attributing the devotional as something that Rick Warren personally endorses might or might not be the case. I'll give Warren the benefit of the doubt and say he probably does not agree with...

Anyone can say they agree with a doctrinal statement - but if they do adhere to the BFM then why do they not warn against the false gospel espoused by the Pope? That is the issue - the ministry says one thing but doesn't seem to hold very firmly to it.

webdog You have some sort of personal vendetta against me, it would seem, and what you are doing is hijacking this post. Why don't you email me privately and I will give you my view of 2 Peter 3:9. For the record, you threw many verses from all over the Bible when you posted at Crown and I...

Further, AVL1984, please let me know how I "lied about" Rick Warren in this post? You accused me of that and I'd like to see the evidence.

Sorry guys...the fact that a "devotional" praising a rock band and gushing over the Pope should never make it's way to a Christian's website. And, I think you both know that to be true. AVL1984, you have a particularly rude attitude and I'm sorry that you feel that you have to respond the way...

I think I just rested my case...

AVL1984, Why don't you let us all know "what you believe" regarding the devotional article that I posted on this thread? And, the context of my statement is that of Rick Warren's "Purpose Driven Life". I did not refer to any other aspect of your belief. Brian

AVL, THEY ARE ON HIS PURPOSE DRIVEN WEBSITE!! I'm sorry for shouting, but don't you see that it is a complete endorsement if it's on his website? And, no, I don't expect anything should ever get through to his website that he wouldn't personally agree with. It seems rather obvious that you...

Pastor Larry, You're right, and please look at this incredible example of PDL theology: http://www.purposedrivenlife.com/devarchive.aspx?ARCHIVEID=929 Sad...and Christians are afraid to speak out against this stuff? Thank God for your comments Pastor Larry.

For those of you who feel Paul Proctor, myself and others are being too hard on the poor discernment regarding PDL stuff, take a look at this "devotional" from the PDL website: http://www.purposedrivenlife.com/devarchive.aspx?ARCHIVEID=929 Notice the incredibly positive comments on the Pope...

Dr. Bob, I'm sorry, but Warren's sermons and writings are in print for all to see. I'm not surprised you focused on numbers in your OP because Warren focuses on them too (although he says in several places he doesn't - contradictory). I would be interested in seeing the "small group" Bible...

So you have never given objective criticism to anyone whom you haven't met? Let's be honest...

I don't have to and you know it. He has put his writings (and sermons) in print for all to see. I don't have to meet someone to critque them. Do you?

Nice try Dave, but you know fully well that most people who own a Bible let it collect dust; they don't even open it.

AVL1984, I'm sorry that you can't see that calling a fellow Christian "ignorant" and claiming I think my Bible interpretation is "infallable" and then saying "get over it" isn't offensive. I do find it offensive and I believe he needed a rebuke. We all need to use grace in our speech, even...

Dr. Bob, I'm sorry, but your supposition that MacArthur and Warren are competing for people is out of bounds. It is unfair to both men to make this statement. You don't know their hearts.