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I don't follow your reasoning. Since God knows all that will happen, everything that happens is therefore predetermined? Predetermined necessarily implies a 'predeterminer'. Who/what is this predeterminer?

So God decreed but didn't cause the Fall? He is not responsible for his own infallible decree?:Rolleyes

I believe this too sir. God's exhaustive foreknowledge includes contingencies or future freewill choices. So I don't see the need to cause,render certain bla bla everything in order to possess perfect foreknowledge. Open theism asserts that God's foreknowledge is restricted to what God...

According to @JonC God infallibly decreed Adam's Fall but not Adam's sin which caused his Fall. I'd love to believe that decrees are certain or unambiguous with regard to the space and time. So there's no way Adam's Falling Decree would 'hit' Zerubbabel. Reason being Zerubbabel is not Adam...

God decreed Adam's transition. So would you say God authored Adam's fall? Did God make Adam fall?

This term needs to be expounded. What do you mean by it?

It's clear. Taking you back on your definition of the Fall, would you say God decreed Adam Falling?

Not sure why you hopped from decree to permission. Can you say that of all that occurs they are either decreed or permitted such that whatever is not decreed is permitted?

What has been decreed must occur What has not been decreed may occur Am I right?

You have not answered. The question is whether what has not been decreed can occur. I just made reference to an event you believe was decreed

@JonC you did not respond to Post 77 http://www.baptistboard.com/threads/if-god-never-decreed-ordained-the-fall.103278/page-4#post-2283032 Following your definition of Fall, In my finite and negligible wisdom, I view decrees as commands akin to creative commands; 'let there be...' If there was...

Distinguish permissive will rendered certain (PWRC) from decretive will(DW) Was PWRC at play in Adam's sinning?

Thank you and I'd agree. Fall was change for worse occasioned by sin/rebellion. In my finite and negligible wisdom, I view decrees as commands akin to creative commands; 'let there be...' If there was no 'let there be...' say light, there would have been no light. So I can confidently assert...

He would be a participant if he renders whatever he permits certain..Or as you said, he permits with certainty. See even permission is a loaded term far removed from the normal and natural meaning. Essentially, permission and decrees are virtually indistinguishable...just fancy and deceptive...

Thank you sir. What do you understand by the Fall? You seem to push a subtle distinction between Adam's sin and the Fall

Which was it?

Only your so called view of Arminianism has confused soteriology.:)

I'll work with your definition* Was it decreed or permitted? *try and be gracious enough to define it, and share any other alternative definition(s) you may have come across of the same:)

Those are Calvinists but with the added disastrous confused perception of God

What if