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Yes... the good news message. For instance (and my OP was from outside the 4 accounts as well) another favorite is Isa 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings good news [first time the word for "gospel" is used in the Bible, LXX in this case which the NT writers...

Agreed wholeheartedly! Also... this is about favorite gospel passages, not just favorite passages. Just a clarification. So glad Rom. 3:21-26 was finally mentioned. I almost put that myself: Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law...

I'm glad to hear this... not b/c you are leaning more towards what I believe, but I love to hear it when people leave their indoctrination and start thinking for themselves. I would recommend a new book that is somewhat controversial and written by the SBTS guys, Kingdom through Covenant. Any...

bwahahahaha!!!

If the second is true, then the first must also be true. Right? In other words, if evil is a necessary property of the created, and God has planned out (even via foreknowing) what will happen (you could argue that choices were made, but God knows w/out error those choices, and yet puts the...

Let's try a little edification and quote some of our favorite gospel passages. These are great reminders of God's saving activity. It can be 1 verse, 1 passage/periscope, or 1 page. Let's enjoy God's Word together! 1Pe 1:3-9 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus, the Messiah...

Here is John Piper's take on John Edwards point from Freedom of the Will (I'll post the entirety of what Edwards said later):

I don't know where I'm headed. I am just trying to be honest and seek help from different viewpoints. I'm not stating what I confess or believe, but only where I see DoG taking me. However, as I've shown already, I also see a non-Cal view go the same place. I feel the tension and wrestle...

Response 2 your last 2 statements: I didn't say dispy=gnostic. I have been using terms to say "gnostic type" or similar to gnositicism (as far as the outcome at least). If that wasn't clearer, then my apologies to you. Secondly, your last statement is my whole point!!! Why do you want to go...

Dude! I am not saying to concede my points. I am asking you to refute my points by offering counter points to my points. All you've done so far is to offer your own points w/out questioning the merits of my own. How is this so difficult?

Offering counterpoints is not conceding. It is the opposite... it is taking on the points I raised before you move on to make your own points. So if you could try that... we might make some better headway.

So when the roal is called up yonder... will you be there? Are you just a pilgrim passing through on your way home? All the rapture escapism talk is basically this... gnostic type bodiless "I can't wait to go to heaven" mentality. And for the record... I used to be both a dispo actively...

Instead of engaging in more illustrations and examples, could you please address the points I raised? It is hard to raise points when you ignore counter points first.

I would actually prefer if someone took on the OP... is there a difference between God ordaining something and authoring or creating it.

I want to focus on this. I don't know how you can say this. Logically, it makes no sense. If God knows something, and God cannot be wrong, then the thing (event in this case) must come to pass exactly the way God knew it. On a horizontal level, yes there was volition. ON the vertical...

My only problem with this is that w/ God's perfect knowledge and (according to your view) man's choice to love God or reject him is still predetermining. If you made a choice, and God's knowledge is perfect (free from error), and God knew before you were created what choice you would make, and...

Allow me then to philosophize a moment... The statement "God allow sin to exist" seems to me logically only to mean that he is the ultimate cause. How else can you explain away God's perfect knowledge and foresight of all events and choice AND YET he creates it anyways? Or to say it another...

I'll quickly grant that semantically, calamity could easily be substituted in those cases. However, even the concept of calamity is a result of sin. No sin means no calamities. So there is still in some sense God using something evil for good. I wouldn't call it "ends justifies the means" so...

Sorta but no. I don't think it is veering into Pantheism however it maybe leads to similar results. But even then, I don't think I would end up at those results no matter what. So even that is more of a non-issue. How would you answer the original question in the OP: the distinction...

Here are some other thoughts and questions I am asking myself: God ordained sin: • Prov. 16:4 – The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. • Isa. 45:7 – I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create evil, I am the LORD, who does all...