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No, not really. In fact, this view CAN be adopted (in part) even within the Calvinistic system. I think Jbh argues for the fact that God always regenerates THROUGH the gospel, not 'prior' to it because he (like many) understands that the scriptures clearly teaches that the power is with the...

I like what you added, which makes the part about his loving us anyway and calling all of us to reconciliation all the more amazing! :) No, you don't realize it, but actually we are back to the effectuality of the means God uses to overcome that carnal, godhating, darkness-loving, corrupt and...

HERE is a web page of a hyperist who lists all these Calvinists scholars as heretics along with their quotes because their view of the atonement is not limited enough for him. You can read all the quotes to see for yourself... Make sure you comment on AA Hodge too while you're at it. :)

Please define decree. Do you distinguish between his active and permissive decrees as some Cals do?

Non sequitur... Just because I affirm self-determinition doesn't mean I can fully understand, define or explain how all the processes, factors, influences work. Just because I have a nervous system doesn't mean I have to know how it works. Humanity has has studied life and its origin for...

I saw that Aaron quoted this so I wanted to respond....in hopes that he might actually listen this time: God has moved and is still moving as he 'seeks to save that which is lost.' He moves through HIS appointed means, which according to scripture are: 1. The Son (Word): while on earth...

And yet in that exact same thread you called the words 'inspired by God.' Is that one of those other terms like "magical" in your book, because before it was just a 'historical record.' Still backpeddling I see. I'll let Jesus argue this point for me: "For he whom God has sent utters the...

How about we give AA Hodge, a Reformed theologian, the last word so you can apologize to everyone for confounding this matter: "There is no debate among Christians as to the sufficiency of that satisfaction to accomplish the salvation of all men, however vast the number. This is absolutely...

Ok, for the record then, can you just restate using your own words this part of the quote: "Such being the nature of the judicial satisfaction rendered by Christ to the law, under which all men are placed..." That way I have it on file for the next time you in anyway imply that our belief that...

But you've refused to deal with my actual words Luke, but instead read your words into what I write and then go on to draw unfounded and ridiculous conclusions. Just as you do here... Those are Luke's words, and now my words... "Salvation is by 'LIVING FAITH' which WILL act. Dead faith...

Aaron, Additionally, it would be good to take a look at where Jesus commissions his apostles to go into all the world: 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came...

1. I never said that elements of the gospel truth aren't taught by Christ throughout his ministry, for indeed they are. He teaches A LOT about the truths of the kingdom and elements of what is to come in the gospel appeal. 2. John 3:16 wasn't being preached publicly to all Israel as the...

In addition to the Charles Hodge quote I already provided which proved you wrong already, I thought it necessary to provide a AA Hodge quote just in case: "There is no debate among Christians as to the sufficiency of that satisfaction to accomplish the salvation of all men, however vast the...

The 'intent to become like God' was the absence of God? What does that mean? Or do you mean the intent originated because God was absent? Please explain. Ok, and where did that something originate? In God or Satan? If God then how do you avoid the charge of making God the author/origin of...

I typically don't see your post anymore P4T, but since EWF copied it I suppose I'll reveal your obvious errors. I didn't say that verse was the gospel, I said, "He didn't preach the gospel. He told elements of truth contained in the gospel, but he didn't preach the [full] gospel"...of which...

Oh, and notice he didn't answer my question: Where did he mention the cross, atonement, resurrection and call them to repentance and faith? What kind of gospel doesn't mention those elements?

Nothing new Quantum, he does this kind of thing at the end of just about every one our discussions. As my Asian butcher always says, "It's not his fart." :)

Then why did you say the gospel 'is nothing more than a description of an actual event in history?' When did I use the word magical? I didn't. So once again you are attacking a straw-man by putting words in my mouth. Instead of the word 'magical' why not "...living and active. Sharper than...

When did I argue that? I didn't. I argued that it is beyond our view and comprehension thus refused to attempt an answer. That is the mistake Calvinistic compatibilism makes. It answers a question based on mere speculation, human reasoning and philosophical foundations, not biblical...

But that is your accusation, not reality. I'm not removing any reasonable basis for the action performed. I believe the basis for an act is the actor, I just don't attempt to explain all the detailed intricacies of HOW an agent determines his choices because that is truly beyond our full view...