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I can respect you for that. When it comes to theology, I could be wrong, you could be wrong. If we agree on that we can be united as brothers in Christ and worship together without any animosity. I have Calvinist friends I worship with, they do not claim Divine enablement and when we debate...

Why does he have to be regenerated to be God's servant? God spoke to these men, worked with them to cooperate with Him, even when many of them didn't want to do what God was telling them to do. God had to deal with them, convince them. Also remember, God knows all. God knew Moses would...

True, but it is the hardheaded Cals who declare they are absolutely correct because of Divine Enablement! You don't get that much from Freewill believers. We believe the Spirit teaches truth from the Scriptures, but we also understand the flesh can get in the way. Many Cals when challenged will...

The Spirit is working in you brother! :thumbsup: Regeneration is a NT implementation only. There was no "new creation" until after the death, burial and glorification of Jesus Christ. David cried out in the Pslam for this new heart that was to come.... Nicodemus was scolded for being a...

Well that's good to hear! Other Cals here would say God caused them to believe TULIP and would point to 1Cor2 as evidence for their understanding. So there is still hope for you to come out of this....:tongue3:

No, your turn.... Ok, great! Now, why does your knowing of the things that are freely given you different from the knowing of the things that are freely given SBM? Please EXPLAIN

So tell us Willis, do you believe TULIP is truth by your own study, or did the Holy Spirit reveal this unto you?

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Here it is brother....wait for it...... "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." Ok, great! Now, why does your knowing of the things that are freely given you different from the...

Is that all you have left brother? If you want to know if what you believe is truth, you need to test it up against tough questioning and scrutiny. We have a wide range of Calvinist believers here, all in differing stages of Divine enablement. Those having less Divine enablement argue against...

Brother Icon, what is it you would have me explain about 1Cor2:7-16 ? Do I disagree with it? Or do I disagree with what you apply this passage to? Which I gave a listing above. You believe that those who do not believe TULIP are not Jesus' sheep. I posted the exact quotes word for word and...

Give it some time. If you delve into Calvinism and take it seriously to it's final conclusions, you will have no other choice but to except (1) God is also hate, not just love (2) TULIP is the Gospel (3) No belief in TULIP = No sheep (4) One becomes a Calvinist the same way one becomes a...

Well didn't the Holy Spirit open your eyes yet on this topic? You Cals have two options on your God hates people doctrine... 1) God hated them before they were ever created and ever did anything wrong. NOT choosing to hate them for anything foreknown to come to pass. 2) God, in His all...

Triple Down :laugh: You make my points over and over again brother. Your the gift that just keeps on giving :thumbs:

So why do you think God hated them before they ever did anything wicked?

Do you really think division is difficult to find among Calvinist? What is ironic is you all claim to have "Divine Enablement" to believe Calvinism/TULIP/DoG or whatever else you want to label it, and you all claim that whatever you believe is because "God opened your eyes". But apparently God...

Now salzer, we are to love our enemies because we don't know who the elect are??? Come now. Jesus gave us the reason we are to love ALL. Matt 5:45 - "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven". As children of the Most High, we are to ACT like the Most High in loving ALL...

So then, you hold the position that the 'why' God hates the non-elect is because He foreseen their wickedness. So when the Arminian says God foresaw the choice made by those who would believe, the Arminian is well within the same view as held by the Calvinist to understand 'why' God chose some...

It is the former. It is what Calvinist here proclaim. I will let Icon and convicted1 give you more clues if they are willing. They are the chief ones who promote God's hatred for the non-elect.

The Calvinist here declare that God hated the non-elect before they ever existed, before they ever committed any wickedness. My OP question is why?