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How could they be considered enemies if they were elect from the foundation of the world? Did God hate them before He then loved them?

WARNING!!!! THIS IS A PROVOCATIVE OP MEANT TO SPARK DEBATE AND SHED LIGHT ON JUST WHAT IS THE TRUTH CONCERNING CALVINISM. PLEASE CONTINUE READING WITHOUT LETTING IT PROVOKE YOU TO ANGER. IT IS MEAN'T TO ESTABLISH WHAT TEACHINGS CALVINIST ARE TRULY SUPPORTING WITHIN THE CAMP. Greetings All...

Yeah, I'm a one pointer. You see, we are all Calvinist, most of Christendom just doesn't know it...:smilewinkgrin:... it takes Divine Enablement....Matt 13, John 10. (see OP, thread 1&2) The Holy Spirit is very busy though, He hasn't gotten to everyone yet.....:tongue3:

So says your opinion, correct? Passive means no involvement. [/LIST]I believe the Father draws, the Holy Spirit convicts and points to Jesus Christ, and then regenerates those who call upon the name of the Lord. That is hardly "passive". So your comments about Arminians may be correct if...

Then you would have to show were I ever stated God was passive in one's salvation......I also hold to OSAS...which causes many to call me a Calvinist. Go figure

You guys make this wayyyyyy tooooooo easy! Checkmate! :thumbs:

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Are you sure you know "my book"? God is just because God provided Grace and Mercy for those who would believe. From Genesis to Revelation, all God wants is to be believed......

I don't think I warp anything you guys say. I mean I have the exact quotes and provide them and you guys never repent of what you say. Icon makes it perfectly clear he believe no TULIP equals no Sheep. I give exact word for word quotes and you guys act like you never said it. Puzzling indeed...

I never studied Arminian theology so I cannot speak to these things you raise. However, I would find it very deceiving to tell a person they must repent and not at the same time tell them they cannot unless God makes them. Telling half truths is a trademark of Satan. You want to be a Calvinist...

I understand there isn't much you can say to defend the obvious that I point out. What I would like to know is once you decided "God showed you" TULIP was Divine Revelation, how did this change your Christian walk? Did you then begin to believe God was Sovereign, did you then begin to believe...

Same goes for Cal preachers preaching just like the non-Cals. Begging the lost to choose Christ......

This should actually tell you something. That is all you ever heard from the pulpit because freewill is all that is ever preached from both non-cal and cal preachers. And there is a good reason for this, it's because frewill is what the bible teaches. Have you ever heard a Cal preacher preach...

What led us to a discussion on baptism was your comment which you stated you were born-again when you got baptized. Why don't you show us from the Scriptures where they say being born again is when you have an affectionate love for the true gospel? And please explain what is the "true" gospel...

No one comes to belief kicking and screaming I believe I heard many times from the Calvinist camp. Yet we here testimony after testimony of struggle to believe in TULIP. I actually had no struggle to believe the Scriptures. The struggle comes when a foreign idea or concept is introduced to a...

And it is just that...your view. The Scripture is clear and I provided only a small portion. Christ in you is NOT an affectionate belief of the gospel. It is the Spirit of Christ in you...it is the Spirit of God in you...Romans 8. Trevor, get wet doesn't make you born-again. Read this very...

As do JW's, Mormons, and rogue churches such as Jerimiah Wright's church also feel strongly and with strong conviction as to the truth of the things that they have believed. Unless such conviction comes from the Holy Spirit, it is nothing more than carnal conviction which anyone can strongly...

That is my statement which Trevor was quoting back to me DHK. The personal knowledge I am speaking of is Christ in me, Romans 8. It is personal because of regeneration. It came to me through the hearing of the Word of God. Trevor's "knowledge" does not line up with the Word of God. He has...

Let's be honest here. The only way Calvinism can answer the scriptures Bob posted is to say they do not mean what they are clearly stating.

Actually, it is no problem for me. I know for certain that I have been saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved. I know this by the Spirit of Jesus Christ who has indwelled me. I have no doubt for I have a personal knowledge of Jesus Christ living in me. If you do not have this personal...