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Well, for one, they believe God regenerates a person to make them believe without any freewill choice exercised by the subject to call upon the name of the Lord.

From the conversations I have been having here, it seems the "New" Calvinism is the same as any Calvinism. Icon is a good example....

Exactly! :laugh: The very point we are making to you! Icon - No belief in TULIP = No sheep! Thank you! :tonofbricks:

You do not have the right to cut off half of the "charge" and then declare you answered it justly. The charge is "failing to teach TULIP!! At which you replied with the sheep passage declaring those who do not believe TULIP (this is the charge) are not Jesus' sheep. Stop with your spinning...

Of course you did, and then you tried to say you do not condemn anyone to hell, because you do not have that authority of course. We all know of course only God has that authority, the point is you BELIEVE and assert that those who do not embrace TULIP are indeed lost-condemned to hell. Has...

Sounds just like Jehovah Witness cult.

And this response somehow refutes my point?? You already stepped in and proved my point that some Cals condemn those who do not believe in TULIP. (Let you in on a little secret brother....we can all read what you write in response to specific questions....we can see when you attempt to do a...

Nice try :laugh: My comment was why the Spirit does not open TULIP to God's children....at which you posted scripture condemning those who do not believe. Little bait and switch there.... Come on brother.....folks can see what you are doing ya know? :smilewinkgrin:

No not looking for backup. Rippon said in another thread that Calvinist don't condemn non-Cals to hell for rejecting TULIP. Then you posted a condemnation for those who reject TULIP, just like right on cue :laugh:. I was pointing it out to him.

There you have it Rippon, you were saying your Calvinist do not damn non-Cals to hell for their rejecting of Calvinism. (Take notice of your fellow Calvinist Icon's bolding of verse 26 in response to my quoted question)

Brother Rippon, there are Calvinist on here who believe non-Cals are damned indeed. There are violators in both camps. Those Calvinist who declare TULIP to be "The Gospel" or "Divine Truth" are declaring those who reject the theology are by default believing in "another gospel" or are rejecting...

I believe this is a flawed conclusion. If the Father instructs me to build a building large enough to house and feed all the homeless in the world, and I do the work God instructed me to do, I have finished the job I was instructed to do. Now if many of the homeless reject the building and...

So Cals could be guilty of this as well...

With TULIP being so blatant and clearly being expressed in the scriptures, could we conclude the Holy Spirit is failing to teach this truth to the children of God seeing how most Christians simply don't believe it? Or, could it be that those who do not see the obvious are simply still blinded in...

Not sure what your missing..... No rabbit trail, just responding from your own post..... Who are you referring to? Non- Cals?

Peter confessed Jesus is the Son of God, did this prove his election? At this point Peter did not have any knowledge of Christ death. In fact, no believer prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ believed in such. So was Peter saved or not when he made his confession? You...

It appears to me that you are arguing against unconditional election, which is a good thing, however I believe it goes against your pov that TULIP is perfect theology. You are basically declaring that the ignorance or lack of understanding coming from an individual can thwart the calling of...

So you believe Adam and Eve were God's elect, even though they chose to reject God and believe Satan, and fall into condemnation?

I like how you stomp your feet and shout "I am NOT a CALVINIST because I do not believe all Calvin taught". And then you call other people Arminian when you know they don't believe everything Arminian. I believe in OSAS, is that Arminian? Most people label me a Cal when I argue for Eternal...

It is very well presented, I agree :thumbs: Makes it easy to see the errors found in Calvinism's TULIP.