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Icon, please learn to use the quote feature. You make it difficult to reply to your posts. If you can change the color of your words, it is just as easy to put mine in quotes and leave yours out. Which accomplishes what exactly? Means have a purpose and I'm asking what purpose does this means...

We all agree that without God salvation would be impossible, so I'm not sure how this addresses the question of the OP. Nor would any poor man for that matter. So, why the distinction?

It is apparent that you are not familiar with formal fallacies of debate. I politely encourage you to google "debate fallacies" and specifically the one called "begging the question," so as to be better informed as to my correction of Luke's post. Nothing was meant to be personally...

Because they had "BECOME HARDENED," they had "GROWN CALLOUSED," they weren't born in that condition: Acts 28: "For this people's heart has become calloused" Rom 11: "the rest have become hardened." Heb. 3: "so that none of you become hardened by the deception of sin." First, the Gospel...

No, I try to limit my responses to points of contention and I agree with that verse and need for a work of God's spirit. The difference is the view concerning the 'irresistibility" of the spirit's working...you know what you have dismissed as being a "peripheral" matter? Now, your turn to...

Hardly a distinction worth mentioning when one also holds to the doctrine of "irresistible grace" by which those unconditionally elected are effectually drawn to meet all the conditions of salvation. Are you suggesting that God has made many of those reprobates he unconditionally chose to...

Isn't the hindrance of being "Totally Depraved" sufficient to make all people equally as "difficult" to save? What does ones wealth have to do with that? I agree, but you state that as if (1) God's election of the individual was a condition of their being chosen or (2) God's irresistible work...

This amounts to nothing more than a fallacy of "begging the question." If you want to engage in debate you must address our points of contention without presuming your premise proven. We all believe God's purposed our particular view of soteriology, the question is to answer why God would...

Notice that the reason he speaks in parables is because these mysteries were not being revealed to them, but only to a select few. After Pentecost, when Peter preaches, many of these same Jews who were not given these mysteries when Christ was here were told of them and they came to faith. It...

The strongest points of one's argument are not typically reflected in the portion that his opponents address, but in the portions ignored.

Why didn't you answer this question Aaron. Was God free to pass over you or not?

Very mature....or very manure. :laugh: You say that as if the verse somehow indicates that they didn't deem it to be "foolish" by their own choosing. It's almost as if you beg the question by presuming that they could ONLY determined the message to be foolish, which is the very point up for...

Yet another way in which you differ from Christ's teachings. Which is why I used this term and referred to the remedy of the life giving truth. I guess that is why God sent the spirit of the bride to them, to cry out "Come.." rather than expecting them to come on their own initiative. Our...

Mark 10:23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" 24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a...

Yet, that verse never addresses the means by which one may move from being 'in the flesh' to being 'in the spirit," does it? Both Arminians and Calvinists affirm the need for a work of the HS, yet the difference is that we disagree as to the irresistibility of that working. I believe the...

My premise is based upon the commonly known view of many Calvinistic believers call "compatiblism," in which they argue that a man's choice is "free" if it is in accordance with his desire. To me this is an insufficient explaination to maintain true freedom considering that compatibilists...

Not if you don't presume a deterministic framework. Are God's choices random chance too? What determined him to choose you over someone else? Was he not free to pass over you? No, I'm simply quoting the scriptures regarding the power of the gospel, the effectiveness of His truth, the...

What do you mean when you speak of "their own accord?" Do you mean according to their inherited nature adopted from Adam according to the fall by which they cannot even respond to God's appeal to be reconciled? Given your belief that all events and actions are decreed by God, then human...

Actually, he is right on one point Amy. Someone must be enabled to come to Jesus, but here is the question: What means does God use to enable men to come to Christ? Answer: THE GOSPEL. In John 6, the gospel was being hidden from the Jews and hadn't even been sent into the rest of the world...

It's called fallibility. The ability to choose wrongly...that is their "deficiency." The only other option is to suggest the divine message is deficient to accomplish the purpose of making the divine appeal to be reconciled. As I've explained many times, to ask what determined them to...