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Provide the quote where I said this...or where you think I said this. Please allow my words to speak for themselves. Your contrivances make things much more complicated than necessary. Actually, I'm doing quite the opposite by attempting to argue a point with which there should be no...

Answer this for me Luke: Does God genuinely desire for all men to hear the gospel and come to faith? Ware and you differ on many points even according to your own testimony Luke. We went over that, remember? That was only the tip of the iceberg regarding all the terms and phraseology you have...

The thread was over 19 pages and many posters provided you many biblical and confessional proofs that your view regarding "Christ having no divine qualities" was not only un-Christian, but most certainly not Baptist. I attempted to give you the benefit of the doubt as reflected in several of my...

And that post along with several others are all being met with the same statement over and over, so let's call this a wrap and encourage our brother to look through the verses listed and attempt to reconcile them to his views, or better still to change his views. :godisgood: I'm a moderator...

I challenge you to look at the context of the scriptures which speak to this "ear to hear," and I think you will see it's most certainly in reference to the judicially hardened ear of the Jew, who Paul explains in detail is being "cut off" and thus sent a "spirit of stupor"..."ears so they can't...

I challenge you to do a search of my post with the key word "Pharaoh" and see the number of times I've discussed God's active work of judicial hardening as it relates to Israel of Christ's day. IMO, until Calvinists fully vet the doctrine of judicial hardening they will continue with their...

Why when the "supernatural" one (regeneration) is the only one that has the desired effect? If you read what I wrote you will see that I acknowledged that God COULD have simply changed Jonah's will by making his heart obedient, but that God CHOSE to work through normative means, thus showing...

You need to be specific. Blanket and unfounded accusations serve no one. Reply to a specific quote or point it out and explain why you think its an assumption on my part then we'll be engaging in a discussion rather than senseless banter.

But that is not the type of person described when speaking of Lydia, or especially Cornelius. He is described as a righteous person and an honorable man, nothing like the way Jesus spoke of the Religious elite of that day...or the way Calvinists describe those prior to being regenerated..

Then you don't understand my belief. As stated, we both affirm that God works to change the wills/minds/hearts of man, but we disagree as to the effectuality of his means. My argument was that God uses "normative" means such as circumstances, envy, persuasion, scripture, pain, nature etc etc...

I'm reminded why I stopped responding to your posts. We all agree that God works in changing hearts and wills, we just disagree as to the effectuality of the means He employes in order to accomplish that end. Since you don't seem able or willing to address that actual point of our contention...

Guys, I don't think it necessary to incite with anger, or attack with vengeance this person, when clearly he does affirm that Jesus is God. He just appears to have overstated his case in regard to what form God has made himself manifest in Christ. At least that is my hope and thus my desire to...

CAn you quote any stating, as you have, that he has none?

Answer my question. Do you believe Lydia was regenerated prior to her becoming a "worshiper of God" or are you arguing that the reference to God's opening her heart is the work of regeneration?

No one here to my recollection is attempting to say otherwise. So, when did her regeneration take place? Prior to her becoming a "worshiper of God" or when "the Lord opened her heart to respond?"

Are you then attempting to argue that Jesus had access or COULD have utilized his divine attributes, but chose not to do so while being in human form? For example, he could have called down the angels, but chose not to? He could have know the time and hour of his return, but chose not to? He...

Kind of like the Calvinistic view of God in some ways, huh? Do you think God cares about people in the same manner liberals do, because they sound ironically similar to me. ;)

Of course, because I believe Jesus when he said, " He said to them, "When you pray, say: " 'Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread. 4 Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation. ' " 5 Then...

Besides the list of divine qualities and versus I just listed I'll add the Baptist Faith and Message adopted by the SBC: I can't get through the first sentence before I find a divine attribute. How many non-divine people are eternally existent? And go on to the second sentence: How many...

Goinheix, If you happened along a major league pitcher playing in his back yard with his daughter and saw him pitch her a slow under handed soft ball would you conclude that the pitcher had no major league qualities or gifts? Of course not. You'd know that he was choosing to limit his...