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Try again brother. I affirm that men are born in a condition which will lead to their final condemnation if unchanged, but even Calvinists believe that the elect are born in this same condition. The reason they REMAIN under condemnation is because of unbelief, but no one is FINALLY CONDEMNED...

There is not a single scripture presented by a Calvinist on this BB that hasn't been fully rebutted from the non-Calvinist perspective. I've discussed most of the typical proof texts myself. This is a completely unfounded claim. Yet, they'd probably be wise to read some of the scholars so they...

Yes, man is born lost and thus in his current sinful state on the road to be condemned, but no one is fully condemned until they die and face judgement, as long as they still have an opportunity to believe the gospel their condemnation is NOT sure. Now, regarding those who have not heard, I...

I do think some here are very consistent in representing what I would consider a more mainstream form of Calvinism. I was a Calvinist for about a decade and became a Calvinist under the teachings of men like MacArthur, Piper, Sproul, JI Packer, Nettles and the like, so maybe I'm biased as to...

Oh, is this going to be your new default for when you can't answer arguments? I like it. It shows me when you've been sufficiently silenced. :thumbsup:

Let's read Romans 5 with care: 16 And the gift is not like the one man's sin, because from one sin came the judgment, resulting in condemnation, but from many trespasses came the gift, resulting in justification. 17 Since by the one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, how much...

If anyone is keeping count, I've presented numerous verses to say verbatim the reason that men are condemned. "they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief!" "because they refused to love the truth and so be saved." "because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of...

That presumes that there are people here on the BB who believe that fallen man are "pretty good fellers" who "seek God" on their own. As soon as you can find me someone who affirms that they believe that here on the BB I will concede that I was wrong. Plus, can you explain how else we are to...

John 3:18 says "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. Why do they stand condemned already? Because of what Adam did? NOPE. "because he has not believed in the name of the...

You may be right. Those people out there somewhere who believe fallen humanity are really "pretty good fellers" and "seek God" on their own without His initiation would be greatly offended if you thought they also "saved themselves." I apologize for implying that you believed those people...

Aaron, with all due respect brother, what purpose do comments like this serve except to inflame by not all that subtly implying that we can't have a relationship with Christ if we don't agree with your theological system. You don't present any argumentation, scripture or even philosophical...

I think I've answered this before when I wrote:

Jesus said, "I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and...

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure. He started the conversation with, "I love John Calvin, BUT...." :smilewinkgrin:

Not at all. This is a ligament question often posed even in scholarly debates on the subject. It brings into light the difficulty surrounding the concept that contra-causal free will is somehow a logical impossibility. It also helps Calvinists to consider that God may have "put us...

Yes, we all have access to computers with internet access. :laugh:

I already did, but you won't want to hear what he told me. :saint:

The label "arminian," (as discussed several times) is often used in a generic fashion to describe those who are "not Calvinistic." In the same manner the label "calvinist" is used even though there are various types and kinds of Calvinistic/reformed believers. Many, if not most, here reject...

That is a given under the presumption that Calvinism is true. I'm asking why? Why do you suppose some of God's elect children "refuse to look at the issues" and go on thinking that "makes God seem unfair," while you don't? Is God not sovereign enough to bring all his children into correct...

I admit that if you are correct, yes, I am in darkness concerning this view (Calvinism) and I want you to explain why you suppose that is. Can you answer the question or are you just going to avoid the difficulty the question poses with quips and smilies?