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In what way do those statements not affirm the theotokos doctrine, then? Plain English: Christ was born of the virgin Mary; he was fully God. In what way is that 'twisting' the statements? They say what they say.

:rolleyes: Now I think it's you who is being disingenuous here: you know full well, as a sensible and educated man, that theotokos means 'God-bearer' ie: 'she who gave birth to God' which is not the same as 'Mother of God'. The Baptist statements of faith which I quoted clearly state that Mary...

Deceptive? At what point have I said that these statements refer or imply that she is 'Mother of God'? I have said that they state the theotokos doctrine, which is not quite the same thing. Please retract your statement and revise your opinion of me!

Here's a Canadian IFB's statement of the theotokos doctrine:

Newsflash for you! Baptists do believe this doctrine. EG: That's just two examples. The bolding are mine. The quoted portions of the Confessions recite the decisions of the Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea I and Constantinople I (the divinity of Christ), Ephesus (the union of the divine and...

Where have I said that? Well, I believe they wrote the NT under the influence of the Holy Spirit Possibly - but with the exception of Peter's comments about Paul's writings (and he does not specify which ones) in 2 Peter 3:16 there is no evidence in Scripture that they were aware of that (did...

With that I can agree.

And it's also about "Mother-in-the-sense-of-giving-birth-to" not "Mother-in-the-sense-of-pre-existing/being-superior-to" God. But people here knew that already, right?

Hats off to Tebow and his mother. May God bless them richly for standing up for His truth and for speaking on behalf of the unborn.

George and John are the sole survivors of a shipwreck and find themselves marooned on a small island in the middle of the ocean. George, in a panic : This is awful, we're going to die here. No one will ever find us way out here in the middle of nowhere. John, calmly: Relax my friend, we'll be...

Ahistorical revisionist nonsense!

Well, given that all major Christian denominations, including most Baptist associations, affirm the Canons of the First Four Ecumenical Councils, including the theotokos doctrine, and only some minor sectarians and cults like the JWs reject it, where does that leave you? And why would you want...

Unfortunately, Targus is correct. The answer: pray, write to/petition the mall owner and boycott the mall unless s/he/it has a change of heart.

That doesn't alter the fact that Lutherans believe that Christ is present in Communion; they just don't believe He is present in quite the same way Catholics do.

D'oh! That was a typo - I meant Matt 25

Er...I think that was you: [/SIZE] Not you, no, but Pat is on rather thin ice.

Well, most of what you post here is rabidly anti-Catholic, so if the cap fits, wear it; if you don't like being called on it, don't post it. And I have partly addressed one of your quotes; lack of time, rather than laziness, prevents me from saying more right now.

I haven't got time to indulge JDF's every 'God Hates Taigs' whim, but I should point out that the first quote is highly problematic for all those who claim that the Catholic Church only got going under Constantine, or later.

Well, that's one interpretation of Matt 24:31-46, I suppose; however, even if you are correct in your interpretation, I would question the wisdom of this degree of realised eschatology and seeking to usurp the role rightly ascribed solely to God.

Really? I guess He didn't get your memo, then, in eg: Luke 13:1-4, which is also in the New Testament.