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In the doghouse. Not allowed to receive communion.

Yes, indeed. And Muslims in our midst are an opportunity for the Gospel as much as if not more than they are a threat: you try and start an evangelistic mission in Saudi Arabia and see how hard it is compared to evangelising a bunch of Saudis who come to stay/live in your metaphorical backyard...

(Now I'm going to sound like I'm 'batting for the other side', but in the interests of truth and balance and all that...) I want to pick up on a comment made by Agnus on the previous thread: The short answer is 'there isn't one'; however, the debate I think is a bit more nuanced than that...

No! That's why I've asked it again. I'm not talking about whether I'm forgiven or not - that much is a 'given', but rather what happens if the sanctification process is incomplete at the point of death. You airily state that we are 'glorified' (explain that term please), as it were, in an...

No, I don't think you did, but don't worry, no-one else answered the question! Agreed . Nope; I'm asking how and when that declaration becomes reality. For example, the US Declaration of Independence was signed July 4th 1776 but it only became a reality after the victories at Saratoga in 1777...

That's the whole point: I don't think he has made his case; he's conflated statements from the encyclical, I suspect to fit his own prejudices.

That's an example (what you quoted above) of what I meant. Please show me what in the encyclical Bennett is responding to and show how that doesn't amount to a conflation.

Yes, I did read the article and have read the encyclical. It seems to me that the article (amongst other errors it makes) makes the primary error of conflating two strands within the encyclical: 1. The need for a co-ordinated global response to global problems through supra-national...

Do you mean the encyclical Caritas in veritate? I thought it was rather good, actually. I don't read into it any desire for global domination by the Vatican, merely an exhortation for existing supra-national organisations to work properly in the interests of mankind, to relieve poverty, reduce...

£160,000 mortgage on our main house and £60,000 on my wife's apartment which she owned before we were married and which we rent out. That's it. Nothing unsecured. No medical bills, thanks to the NHS!

It is perhaps alluded to in Scripture eg: I Cor 3:12-15, although I accept that it needs Tradition to give that particular interpretation to that passage.

OK, I'll repeat the question I asked on the previous thread: how and when are we made sinless and made like Christ and what if that process is incomplete at the point of death?

:laugh: Ain't gonna happen but still funny!

Officially, it doesn't agree with Purgatory as the Roman Catholic Church defines it but is silent on the issue as to whether there can be any kind of ongoing post-mortem sanctification; I do know Anglicans at he Anglo-Catholic end of the candle who do believe in Purgatory however...

Hmmm...except it is my personality, as it were, which sins and has the sinful nature; my physical body is merely the agent of my personality so I don't see how terminating my physical existence solves the problem of the concupiscence of my personality...? Yes, I'm forensically justified by the...

Hmmm...bit of overlap for me: Catholic 1969-1981. Agnostic theist 1981-1985. Anglican 1985-1988; 2007-present. Evangelical 1986-2005/present (-ish) Charismatic 1988-2001/2 Pentecostal (Trinitarian) 1991-1997 Baptist 2002-2007

I suppose the question of the existence of Purgatory stems from the question of to what extent the sanctification process can continue after death. You talk of being glorified when you get hit by a truck. OK: two questions flow from that: 1. How are you glorified ie: what does that mean...

No. It might be a mortal sin, though. Either you were badly catechised (which I suspect, given what else you believe the Catholic Church teaches and given the pretty poor state of Catholic catechesis generally prior to Vatican II, was the case) or you weren't paying attention (which I find...

As Zenas has said, your Scripture quotes actually back up AS, as does II Tim 3:14 Probably true. Correct. He didn't make it the 'State Religion' though. Evidence? Which new (pagan or otherwise) doctrines did he put forward in his Imperial decrees? Which apostate bishops and church leaders did...

I never quite understood it myself but I think it is based on two related matters, the second of which, as it were, explains or expands on the first: 1. Jesus speaks of behaviour which puts the believer so beyond the pale that s/he he is capable of losing his/her salvation, eg: blasphemy...