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Your point of view seem to be that Christ is Michael the archangel. That view is not supported by the text. Since you say I do not understand your view then lay it out in clear text with supporting scripture. Without that it just becomes your opinion.

@37818 is just reading into the text what he needs to find to support his view.

@37818 I have shown you why your view fails but all we get from you is, well nothing. You have not dealt with the two relevant passages. You did not even try to respond to what I had written. Putting your head in the sand does not make the problem go away. You are still saying that Christ...

So you have just admitted to heresy BF. You are now a confirmed universalist by your own words. This is who did Christ dies for BF Joh_3:17 the world Heb_2:9 every man 1Jn_2:2 the whole world 1Ti_2:5-6 for all 1Ti_4:10 all men Rom_5:6 the ungodly Rom_5:8 sinners 2Co_5:14-15 for all Rom 3:23...

He has no argument so resorts to what amounts to throw mud at the wall and hope some sticks.

OK but that still does not make Christ the archangel Michael or vice versa.

Still does not prove that He was the archangel Michael. Why do you struggle so hard to bring Christ, the un-created one, down from being God to being just an angel, a created one?

Still does not prove that Christ was the archangel Michael or that He was ever and angel as you would have Him be.

The truth has been presented to you via scripture and you still deny it. This is who did Christ dies for BF Joh_3:17 the world Heb_2:9 every man 1Jn_2:2 the whole world 1Ti_2:5-6 for all 1Ti_4:10 all men Rom_5:6 the ungodly Rom_5:8 sinners 2Co_5:14-15 for all Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and...

This does not prove that the pre-incarnate Christ was the angel that spoke to Abraham. What we know is that an angel of the Lord spoke to Abraham.

Since you are the one that is in disagreement with scripture and claim Michael the archangel is actually Christ Jesus. Prove your case.

What I have done is show you why your view is wrong here Michael, the Chief Messenger = Jesus Christ? The pre-incarnate Christ is not Michael the archangel unless you think Christ is a created angel.

That is your opinion Van. The scripture I posted points to pervenient grace. You may not like it but it is what it is.

BF you have been shown the truth from scripture and you deny that truth. You then present the false narrative of your man-made religion and wonder why we reject it. You are following a false gospel BF.

So if I am understanding you correctly Christ is Michael because Michael means “Who is like God" So are all Christians going to become Christ? We are told in 1Jn 3:2 that we will be like Him, Christ. 1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be...

As you just said of Christ "He has always been both with God and was God." So Christ was never an archangel. So Christ is not Michael the archangel. You keep proving that your view is wrong.

Then how can He be an archangel?

Christ had many Names and Titles but He was not called Michael or Archangel.

You have yet to give any clear scriptural proof that Michael is Christ but you do deny the clear proof that Michael is not Christ. Why is that? What is your evidence Michael the Archangel is the preincarnate Christ? Your opinion is not proof.

Good to see that then why do you think Michael is Christ?