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If you are not trying to prove that Christ is the Archangel Michael then what are you trying to prove?

Are you saying that Christ is just a created angel? When you consider that the OT saints would not have understood God. the pre-incarnate Christ, appearing to them they would have referred to those as the appearance of an angel. But that does not make Christ an angel. That still does not help...

As I have said before, we can only show BF the truth we cannot make him believe it. If he wants to ignore the word of God that is on him.

So you just continue to deny the clear word of God and hold the the flawed word of man.

I read the article and what you see as a good point falls flat in the light of scripture. Zec 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. Zec 3:2 The LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan...

Are you denying the Triune God?

Read your bible. You are trying to prove that Christ was just an angel. Michael is called the "archangel" What you are trying to prove is heresy.

But you have not even made any argument to support your view. And you have still not dealt with what I said in post @ 7 or for that matter what @Ascetic X said in post # 19. The argument that the same phrase was used is rather thin.

I did. It is a stretch to say because the same phrase was used then they must be the same person. But you have to deal with the differences. How do you explain those? If both you and I say "Bless the Lord" does that make us the same person?

It would seem to me that you and @asterisktom have latched onto the words “The LORD rebuke you" If you read post #7 you will see that I dealt with Zac 3:1-3 and Jude 1:9.

The verses that I posted show the prevenient {coming before; antecedent} grace of God. The grace that goes before. Prevenient Grace: divine grace operating on the human will prior to its turning to God.

@37818 just posting a verse with no explaining text is not of much use. Care to expand on this.

Agreed that is a way some would read those verses, which I would see as the wrong understanding. We are told in Heb 1:5 to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son;..." Heb 1:6 "Let all the angels of God worship Him." Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is...

You can disagree Van but the scriptures I posted support the view of Prevenient Grace. We do not suffer from total spiritual inability, that is a false teaching of calvinism.

There are several points that you have overlooked. (1) The only similarity between Jude 9 and Zec 3:2 is the expression, “The LORD rebuke you" (2) Michael is not mentioned in Zec 3:2 (3) The “body of Moses” is not mentioned in Zec 3:2 (4) The reason for the LORD's rebuke of Satan is found in...

The LORD God almighty. Gen_17:1 The Lord is the coming Messiah, Christ Jesus. This is a Messianic psalm. We see the Lord at the right hand of the LORD Then as the king returning to rule He will also be the eternal priest of His people Who will destroy the enemy and judge the world

Glad to hear that I can help in some small way.

Some others on here would say condemned. Confused

Yes I know I am. :D I just want others that may read this thread to not have any doubts as to the error of calvinism. Far to many have been mislead by those teachings.

I would think these two verses would put that idea to rest. Jud_1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses, did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Rev_12:7 Then a war broke out in heaven...