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I totally understand. However, election needs to start in Exodus to grasp the sense of the election of the people of God. Most people, like that OpenBible website, start in the New Testament with an Augustinian understanding of what it means. I think it makes more sense to see how God uses...

Friend, you didnt post anything beyond scripture in your OP and some one liner Calvinist doctrines to label them. When context has been pointed out to you, you dont argue, you just call it scoffing. You dont answer objections or interpretive arguments, you just deflect to one line retorts.

Classic BF reply. The fact you think you have made a case is shocking.

You have no scriptural case you make. You have no answers to OT election. You are unable to engage in dialogue. You dont use reason or scriptures to make your case. You have nothing more than scriptural one liners that any persuasion of Christian would “Amen”. You resort to “I said so” for...

Scoffers are people that cannot consider that they are wrong or off the mark. It is a pride issue.

I do see election in scripture. I start with the OT which immediately disproves Calvin’s systematic interpretation of Election

Too much philosophical stuff for me to go deep here but in general: Its not what system you know, Its who you know. Its not about having perfect knowledge, its about have knowledge that you apply that produces good fruit. And regarding Calvinism, look at the above post on Election to see how...

And here you reveal that you think a systematic and the Word are the same!

True, you judge by the theological system of Calvin.

Amen, put those clothes on by having faith in Christ!

True, those born by their faith overcome the world because they are born again in Christ. Amen, through faith in Christ Amen!

Not exactly sure what your point is, but I just wanted to make sure that you were aware that Mt 22 talks about a man who was not dressed in proper clothing for the wedding. As a result, he was not chosen, but was kicked out. He was responsible for wearing the right clothes. This is where your...

I assume full point calvinist from what I’ve read of the posts. Election in the OT didnt mean that Israel was saved from the foundation of the world, but that God had chosen them to be a holy and blameless people before Him. As it turns out, even though God had chosen a people that numbered...

I love scripture enough to be truthful to what it says. Without honesty with the scriptures people cannot know God, because they will be refusing to listen to Him. Some people are truthful to their Theological Systems before they are Truthful to Scripture.

I view Spinoza like I do Descarte… from pure logic and definition, prove God. The problem is you cant prove the specifics of the God of the Bible through logic and reason alone, you must have revelation. But I like his works for what they are and what they show.

I think it is a good general point well made that especially the western church serves money very often…

A lot of this just depends on how you view Manuscript traditions. If you trust Syria and Byzantine minuscule textual tradition then you accept these verses, typically. I personally accept these. I see no contradictions with the rest of scripture with these. Editing happened with the...

You quote a bunch of verses that any Calvinist, Arminian, or Other would agree with. Your lists of scripture dont prove Calvinism.

Sorry about this, just saw this thread! My answers to your “going deeper” was all in the prior thread, multiple ways and in several posts. I am sorry that you see God as causing Eve to sin by eating the apple. To me, this is irreconcilable according to what the Bible tells us about God’s...

Hey BF, how do you explain this verse? Edit: a few more