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Nope, that was never a part of normal dispensationalism.

Translating by concordance is only feasible when the semantic unit is not polysemous.

Great! Then what are they doing? That's all I was asking with my facetiousness (which I have never thought of as being a kind of mocking). Okay. So then, what are we doing while the martyrs are ruling? Do we also reign? And I'm struggling with the thought that you don't believe the millennium...

To me the whole book is to be literally interpreted, including the mention of martyrs. Since I believe in literal interpretation, any mention of martyrs in the book is chronological. Therefore I don't see mentions of martyrs as being thematic. There are very few mentions, and they represent...

The facetious part was about us standing around somewhere while the martyrs were honored. It was not speaking of the martyrs themselves, nor was it mocking the martyrs. It was aimed at your view, which leaves everyone out of the millennium--which you apparently do not believe in anyway, so it is...

One thing that simply must be understood about dispensationalism is that the foundation is the glory of God. The essence of dispensational theology is that all of history, and the dispensations in particular, exists for the glory of God. It is part of God’s nature that He must gain glory for...

First of all, I didn't "mock their sacrifice." My pet peeve on the BB is when someone puts words in my mouth or a POV I don't hold. Secondly, you still did not answer my point. You obfuscate a lot--simply an observation, not an insult. I give up on this point, too. I've asked it twice and you...

You still didn't give me a "why" as to the continuation being a timeline is wrong. I give up on that. It is clearly a timeline, not simply "themes."

You never answered my facetious but real point about that. Where are we when the martyrs are reigning with Christ? Do only they get to rule with Christ while we watch?

You did not really answer my point, which was that the 7 trumpets come in the 7th seal, therefore showing continuation. Why would not that progression indicate a timeline?

This answer is puzzling. Does not a trial take time? Is time somehow suspended in the book of Revelation? Scientists call time the fourth dimension, and it cannot be suspended (except by God, of course).

The title of the thread is "Repeating themes in Revelation," which refers to our thread founder's view that the seals, trumpets, and vials in Revelation are those repeating themes. However, I submit that the book does not present them as parallel themes (if I have canadyjd correctly), but as...

Here's the thing. The number 7 is used all through Scripture as God's number: the days of creation, the seven spirits in Isaiah, etc. etc. So to say that 7 all of a sudden refers to a bema simply because it is the number 7 is a non sequitur. Also, the reference in Revelation is not to a "scroll"...

Generally it is reformed people who take to covenant theology and reject dispensationalism. And there are many solid dispensational scholars, including my son, a dispensationalist who has written two scholarly books and many articles in theological journals. He took his PhD under well known...

The problem here is that bema (βῆμα) occurs only once in John's corpus, and that is not in Revelation, but in John 19:13 for Pilate's literal judgment seat. And it occurs nowhere at all in the book of Revelation. So your professor (a great scholar I'm sure) is using bema as a completely symbolic...

Well, folks, this has strayed quite a bit from the OP (and I'm complicit). I probably won't post any more on it. Big day today! This evening we have a birthday party for our first granddaughter, turing 2! It will be epic! She's a doll, and lots of fun. She's already a serious linguist, with her...

Of course. "Will be" in Heaven.

Correct. Right. It does. Right. Right, but not relevant. Apparently you have all OT and pre-trib saints just standing around watching the lucky martyrs of the tribulation. So if I were to be martyred for Christ (possible nowadays), I'd have to back off from Christ and let the lucky...

Easy. The Bride of Christ is all Christians in the church age. It includes individuals, but the warnings about persecution do not refer to all Christians but to individual Christians. Again, the Tribulation is not about persecution, but about judgement on the earth. That is clear through the...

Sorry, I meant Matt. 23:31. That clearly does not refer to Christians. Of course it does. But what is the relevance? The Thessalonians were experiencing persecution right then, not during the tribulation. Of course not. My point was in how to do exegesis. If a word is polysemous (having more...