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The early church agrees with PSA in most of its writings, and does not contradict it. In Pierced for our Transgressions by Jeffrey, Ovey and Sach, the authors write, "In truth the weight of evidence is quite overwhelming, and it is worth reflecting on the extracts cited in the following pages...

And @JonC wants to oppress any opposing view that he may find a challenge. What is it about the term "Discussion forum" that you find so threatening? Kim Jon Un and Putin would be proud of you. It was an attempt to put forward your view and prevent others from critiquing it.

This is the best thing I have seen on this board for quite a while. Good job! How God must love us sinners to put His beloved Son to grief for us!

Yep! He cleanses us from our sins. :) Have you sorted it out so I can post on the 'Early Atonement View' thread? That would be so helpful. Thanks!

Charlie, I don't know you but from reading your posts I like you and would sooner stand with you that with many others here, but you know this isn't really so. If Christ is the satisfaction for the sins of every person in the whole world, then God is satisfied in respect of the sins of every...

Acts 2:38. 'Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of SINS...' He does not say, "for the remission of sinfulness. It's not your only error, nor your worst, but trying to drive a wedge in between sins and sinfulness is not...

I am absolutely not KJV-only, but I have to say that I question if your Hebrew is strong enough to say that with such confidence. Mine certainly isn't.

I prefer the NKJV, partly because I like the additions to the text being put in italics, and partly because I believe that the Majority Text is more likely to be correct than the Critical Text. Here are some of my thoughts on the textual question: Critical Text or Traditional Text?

I don't think it's a question of differing texts, but a genuine difference over the correct translation of the Hebrew. However, both are true. God does judge the righteous and He is just Judge. The important point is that He is angry with the wicked every day. The 'simplicity' of God is an...

For some reason I don't seem to be able to post on the 'Early Atonemnt View' thread. Perhaps @JonC would kindly look into that for me. However, I have found some extracts from the ECFs and added one more from a later period: 1. Clement of Rome. 'In love the Ruler took us to Himself. Because...

Do you not perhaps think that you owe thanks to God for sending His beloved Son to suffer and die for you, to bring you to Him? The human judge you spoke about did nothing for you except execute the law. If God had done nothing for you except to execute the law, you would now be in deep, deep...

This begs the question of why the Lord Jesus had to die on the cross, bearing our sins and the curse attached to them. But with regard to your suggestion that God's wrath is only a future event, I refer you to Romans 1:18ff. You should also note that the words 'anger' and 'wrath' are often...

I think you will find that I did not say that Christ is impure. But I am right that nothing impure will enter heaven. Do you believe that Christ has not entered heaven???? That seems to be what you are suggesting. Of course! Good. It is a small but important point that God did not punish...

I really don't think you have. I asked: And also: If you actually have answered these questions, please accept my apologies and point me to where you have done so. The posts come so thick and fast that I may have missed it. Otherwise, I look forward to reading your responses.

I think you should answer some of my questions to you before you expect me to answer any more of yours.

I told you why? Because nothing impure will enter into heaven. We must not only be declared righteous (justified), but we must also be made righteous. No. Romans 3:25-26 applies. No time to write more at present, but surely that is clear enough?

Why on earth would you suppose that? If the debt is paid in full then God can give believers new birth and still be just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus. Nothing impure will enter the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:27), so unless one is born again he will neither see nor enter the...

Really? One more time. 'For when we were still without strength, Christ died for the ungodly.' Does that mean that God justifies the wicked? YES! 'For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love for...

It is a delight to see you quoting some Scripture for a change. Thank you. Will you explain, please, exactly what you understand by 'Christ suffered for sins once for all time'? How is this not God punishing the righteous? And what do you understand by 'for sins'? You seem to be edging...

But your system (if I may call it that) does nothing to satisfy the justice of God. It does not allow God to be just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus. God gives ungodly people a new birth (I assume that's what you are talking about) and bingo! They have their Get out of...