1 Cor. 1 and God's calling

1. It was prophesied that Jesus would ride on a colt (Matt 21:5; Zec 9:9); should I go on with more specific prophecies?

2. Do you want to answer the question of How Jesus rides on a colt?

 

One example of prophecy. Care to tell how Judas was the son of perdition? Was he chosen for damnation, or did he willingly reject the truth?

BTW...the OT prophecy did not give the details how the colt came to be ridden by Jesus

 

No, your just not understanding me and therefore the obvious conclusion is moot.
Look again at Chapter 17 regarding what Jesus states of whom the Father gave Him:

Notice what it states. I have kept them ... those thou gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but (except for) the Son of...." Did you get that. ALL that God gave Him, not one is lost except...

Judus was given to Christ by the Father along with all the other Disciples.
If 'kept' meant salvation then Christ was a failure and THAT is the logical conclusion.

However, His prayer does speak OF those who have received the Truth revealed to them as it states in verse 8

And yet they are all (including Judas) 'kept' by Christ.

The above which was quoted shows whom of the 12 which He kept were really one with Him.

 

1. I'll let Dr. Luke answer that question. Now, if you can't get the answer from Luke 22, I know of no other:

21"But behold, the hand of the one betraying Me is with Mine on the table.

22"For indeed, the Son of Man is going as it has been determined; but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!"

2. According to Luke, God ordains the acts of human beings while still holding them 100 % accountable for their actions.

 

In a nutshell, along with Peter, Judas will be greeting us at heaven's door.

 

Did I say that?
Show me where I insinuated that.

 

1. Ok, Judas' perishing is physical with a spiritual twist that all of us have missed except you.

2. You can write a dissertation on that one, for it is a unique idea. I think that is what they look for in a dissertation.

 

Uh, No.
According to Luke God determinded the act which was to transpire but NOT that God predetermind a person to do it and them be helf accountable (in the negitive/damnation sense) for doing what God made him do.

God predeterminded the act to be done by a person but not the person as though they had no choice but to obey God and damned for obedience to God.

 

Again WHEN did I say ANYTHING about spiritual.

I said Christ kept them physically to accomplish all things and that includes Judas betrayal of the Son of Man.

 

Here's a quote from post 61; your words: "The 'perishing' references the fact that his physical death was synonamous with his spiritual one."

 

Are you saying now that God's foreknowledge is only limited to actions and not the people behind those actions?

 

Again who said that?

God foreknowledge includes all things.

 

1. Your words: "According to Luke God determinded the act which was to transpire but NOT that God predetermind a person to do it and them be helf accountable (in the negitive/damnation sense) for doing what God made him do."

2. Have you become a victim of literary deconstructionalism?

 

Ok, lets try this once more because I see where you misunderstood me. My doing sorry.

YOUR reference to his perishing (regarding his hanging) was what I was speaking in conjuction to being 'kept'.

His physical death showed that Christ was no longer keeping him physically and therefore when he died (not being kept by Christ any longer) it illistrated the same as his heart which was not Christ's either.

I was meaning your term perishing was synonamous with both His physical and spiritual destruction.

 

Then you took it the wrong way.

God predeterminded the act which will culminate in His will being fulfilled regarding Christs death..
God in His knowledge of all things knew who He would use that would do that which God desired of or by his (the man) own choice to fulfill Gods Predetermind event.
IOW - God plan in cunjuction with Gods knowledge of each mans heart knew who to use to fulfill His plan.

That isn't so hard to grasp is it?

 

Ok, I NEVER said Jesus prayer applies to Judas. I said that the 'kept' Jesus speaks to simply refers to physically.
In Jesus OWN Prayer regarding those He kept, Judas is included but it is not in the sense Judas was a Child of God, only that he was kept from death.
Context EXPRESSES this in the passage I quoted, where Jesus said I have kept them ALL and none are lost...but/except Judas.
Who does the all exclude here? None.

Who said Judas was chosen for salvation.

Obviously there is MORE than one blanket meaning for the word 'chosen':

All twelve were chosen but were they chosen to salvation? No.

Or here:

Again, were they asking God to tell them between the two which to God would save? Of course not. We must come to the scriptures looking at context first, then theology, then context again, not vise versa.

Even Christ Himself is called 'Chosen'.


EDITTED IN --> you never answered my question before. Did you ever pray for Mr. Dawkins as God urged you to?

 

TCGreek, If I am not bringing my statement to bare properly it is because I've not had much sleep and I am pulling a double shift. So I'm on here to help me stay awake. I am trying to write what I know in a meaningful way but I apparently am not doing a good job. Maybe we can take it up again, and start a new at another time. I might be incorrect or I might be just not explaining what I know correctly. So maybe at a different time we can try again.

 

1. It seems best to me to take Jesus' words here as the same as those in Luke 22:31-32, with John filling in the deal about Judas.

2. So the prayer is not about physical protection, but spiritual.

 

BTW, What is it in this text or for that matter any other, that gives you the idea that Judas perishing is a physical one that points to his spiritual perishing?