10 Misconceptions of the RCC

[Earth Wind and Fire]

There again, Who is it that feeds most of the homeless I see in NYC?

Who runs St. Judes Cancer Hospital for Children as well as many other hospitals throughout the world?

Does God have a purpose. do you think, for the Catholic Church/ even after all the horrible things said about them?

Could they (The RCC) even be used for being our primary competition both spiritually & morally, which puts us on its mettle, challenging us in the Non-Catholic Christian world to be better.....I know for a fact it does!

 

[saturneptune]

There again, Who is it that feeds most of the homeless I see in NYC?

Who runs St. Judes Cancer Hospital for Children as well as many other hospitals throughout the world?

Agree with you on this point. Baptists sharing food, LOL. First of all, they would have to put down their spoons and forks and quit stuffing themselves at pot lucks to feed others.

 

[Yeshua1]

What is really strange is the Rome now offers salvation thru their church unto faithful jews/Moslems/Hindus etc, basically any religious person following their religious teachings, as they see God applying Grace to cover their ignoance of cathic teachings, for IF they had knew of them, would have become catholic!

They also will allow Protestants to get saved, as they view them as seperated bethren, who despite lacking the 'fulness" of the faith, have enough still to get them to heaven...

ONLY ones that cannot get saved will be atheists, and those who know official catholic doctrines/teachings and repudiate them, they are lost!

 

[Alive in Christ]

Originally Posted by Earth, Wind & Fire
There again, Who is it that feeds most of the homeless I see in NYC?

Who runs St. Judes Cancer Hospital for Children as well as many other hospitals throughout the world?

Yes, the Catholics do a lot of that. I aplaud them for that.

But the flip side is that when they they die they are in hell because ths catholic false church never once gave them the true saving gosple.

 

[saturneptune]

ONLY ones that cannot get saved will be atheists, and those who know official catholic doctrines/teachings and repudiate them, they are lost!

Are you running for some high political office, perhaps a Congressman? The Lord says, "what is impossible with man is possible with God." God can and does save anyone, whom He chose, from Creation, to be saved. God can save Catholics, despite their church doctrine, which comes from hell. No doubt there will be Catholics in heaven looking down on Baptist church members in eternity. Baptists will be asking Cathlolics to give them a sip of water to cool the flames. You need to get a dose or reality and read Scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

Are you running for some high political office, perhaps a Congressman? The Lord says, "what is impossible with man is possible with God." God can and does save anyone, whom He chose, from Creation, to be saved. God can save Catholics, despite their church doctrine, which comes from hell. No doubt there will be Catholics in heaven looking down on Baptist church members in eternity. Baptists will be asking Cathlolics to give them a sip of water to cool the flames. You need to get a dose or reality and read Scripture.

i am saying here that the official Catholic view regarding who will be saved is exactly as I posted there, they have all but Atheists and Christians who know and repudiate their doctrines as able to eventually be saved!

For salvation to them runs thru RCC. as they mediate it for Christ!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, the Catholics do a lot of that. I aplaud them for that.

But the flip side is that when they they die they are in hell because ths catholic false church never once gave them the true saving gosple.

See thats where I differ with you somewhat.

No church, Catholic or otherwise provided me with the tools I needed to get started as a Believing Christian. All read from the bible, provided me with what they see as correct interpretation....blah, blah, blah & thats exactly what I heard.....Blah, blah, blah. And I was watching the clock the whole time or sleeping in service. What nagged me the whole time is that Im never going to be successful listening to these holy hypocrites so why am I here.... I gotta make a living....that involves lying & manipulating & cheating & drinking & chasing women....all the things I really liked to do. So church really became my biggest enemy.

No my friend, it was never my intention to be a good little practicing Christian in any denomonation, any church. I liked sin....no I LOVED sin...it was part of my very fabric & that disabled any form of moral conscience I would ever have. I went to church because my wife, my mother & my MIL said I should to raise my son. I did that completely for him & guess what, he dont go to church because he considers it boring & a waste of time. I think he likes sin allot too. :smilewinkgrin:

So long story short, no church can change your sinful character...only God can do that. Catholics can & do go to heaven & Baptists can & do go to hell.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

i am saying here that the official Catholic view regarding who will be saved is exactly as I posted there, they have all but Atheists and Christians who know and repudiate their doctrines as able to eventually be saved!

For salvation to them runs thru RCC. as they mediate it for Christ!

Are you by chance referring to Unlimited Atonement which I believe the RC's, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, & some Baptists believe.

Most, with the exception of Baptists, believe in a Sacramental system where you do certain things to work your way to heaven. In other words its a Christ Plus mentality belief system. Is that what you are referring to?

 

[Jerome]

Who runs St. Judes Cancer Hospital for Children

http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/inde...0VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD&cpsextcurrchannel=1

We are not a Catholic hospital, nor are we affiliated with any religious organization.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/inde...0VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD&cpsextcurrchannel=1

See what happens when you assume....thanks & strike that one off the list.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

ONLY ones that cannot get saved will be atheists, and those who know official catholic doctrines/teachings and repudiate them, they are lost!

I repudiate & reject Catholic doctrine & teaching (for the most part). Your saying the the RCC states that Im going to hell? Show me that in the bible.

 

[DHK]

I repudiate & reject Catholic doctrine & teaching (for the most part). Your saying the the RCC states that Im going to hell? Show me that in the bible.

Romans 5:1, "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God," would indicate that those of us who believe are going to heaven.
But the RCC position:

From the Council of Trent:
Quote:
Canon IX. If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining of the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.

would indicate that we are going to Hell, regardless of what the Bible says.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Romans 5:1, "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God," would indicate that those of us who believe are going to heaven.
But the RCC position:

[/COLOR][/I]would indicate that we are going to Hell, regardless of what the Bible says.

Is this Council of Trent still in place in the RCC? I see nothing to tell me that it has been rescinded.

 

[Alive in Christ]

See thats where I differ with you somewhat.

No church, Catholic or otherwise provided me with the tools I needed to get started as a Believing Christian. All read from the bible, provided me with what they see as correct interpretation....blah, blah, blah & thats exactly what I heard.....Blah, blah, blah. And I was watching the clock the whole time or sleeping in service. What nagged me the whole time is that Im never going to be successful listening to these holy hypocrites so why am I here.... I gotta make a living....that involves lying & manipulating & cheating & drinking & chasing women....all the things I really liked to do. So church really became my biggest enemy.

No my friend, it was never my intention to be a good little practicing Christian in any denomonation, any church. I liked sin....no I LOVED sin...it was part of my very fabric & that disabled any form of moral conscience I would ever have. I went to church because my wife, my mother & my MIL said I should to raise my son. I did that completely for him & guess what, he dont go to church because he considers it boring & a waste of time. I think he likes sin allot too.

So long story short, no church can change your sinful character...only God can do that. Catholics can & do go to heaven & Baptists can & do go to hell.

I am not in any way saying that all catholics are lost. some have someohw or another stumbled upon saving faith, and I am glad they have.

But I do not think it is the norm. The reason being that Catholics are being fed a consistant diet of a FALSE GOSPLE. a counterfiat "gosple" that will not save

See thats where I differ with you somewhat.

No church, Catholic or otherwise provided me with the tools I needed to get started as a Believing Christian. All read from the bible, provided me with what they see as correct interpretation....blah, blah, blah & thats exactly what I heard.....Blah, blah, blah. And I was watching the clock the whole time or sleeping in service. What nagged me the whole time is that Im never going to be successful listening to these holy hypocrites so why am I here.... I gotta make a living....that involves lying & manipulating & cheating & drinking & chasing women....all the things I really liked to do. So church really became my biggest enemy.

No my friend, it was never my intention to be a good little practicing Christian in any denomonation, any church. I liked sin....no I LOVED sin...it was part of my very fabric & that disabled any form of moral conscience I would ever have. I went to church because my wife, my mother & my MIL said I should to raise my son. I did that completely for him & guess what, he dont go to church because he considers it boring & a waste of time. I think he likes sin allot too

So long story short, no church can change your sinful character...only God can do that. Catholics can & do go to heaven & Baptists can & do go to hell.

I am not in any way saying that all catholics are lost. some have someohw or another stumbled upon saving faith, and I am glad they have.

But I do not think it is the norm. The reason being that Catholics are being fed a consistant diet of a FALSE GOSPLE. a counterfiat "gosple" That that will not save . The gosple of the catholic church is the goslpel of Jesus, the gosple of trinkets, the gosple of mary worhip,the gosple holy water, the gosple of etc etc etc

 

[saturneptune]

What is very revealing, forget all the RCC doctrine for just one minute, is the perception of the two faiths. Baptists have always had a (false) public perception of being rigid, harsh, and an emphasis on hell fire. Catholics are perceived as gentile, kind, and giving. Once one gets into the heart of the subject, things reverse. The official position of the RCC (whatever that means) is that those not a member and faithful in the "church" are going to spend eternity in hell. In reality, Baptists believe one will be in hell for one reason and one reason only, a lack of faith and dying without Jesus Christ. One does not go to the Lake of Fire for committing suicide, not being a member of a local church, or belonging to another denomination.

This is the reality, therefore who has the more open mind? I am the first one to say that many on Baptist rolls will be in hell. That is not hard to explain since about 30 some odd percent show up on Sunday morning.

Another difference not thought about much, when the RCC issues a decree, point of belief, or whatever you call it, it affects millions upon millions of people. Our documents are limited to Constitutions and bylaws of a local church and affect only the local church body. Either way, accepting the document or not does not send on to the Lake of Fire.

 

[OldRegular]

What is very revealing, forget all the RCC doctrine for just one minute, is the perception of the two faiths. Baptists have always had a (false) public perception of being rigid, harsh, and an emphasis on hell fire. Catholics are perceived as gentile, kind, and giving. Once one gets into the heart of the subject, things reverse. The official position of the RCC (whatever that means) is that those not a member and faithful in the "church" are going to spend eternity in hell. In reality, Baptists believe one will be in hell for one reason and one reason only, a lack of faith and dying without Jesus Christ. One does not go to the Lake of Fire for committing suicide, not being a member of a local church, or belonging to another denomination.

This is the reality, therefore who has the more open mind? I am the first one to say that many on Baptist rolls will be in hell. That is not hard to explain since about 30 some odd percent show up on Sunday morning.

Another difference not thought about much, when the RCC issues a decree, point of belief, or whatever you call it, it affects millions upon millions of people. Our documents are limited to Constitutions and bylaws of a local church and affect only the local church body. Either way, accepting the document or not does not send on to the Lake of Fire.

Well said S/N. The difference: In Roman Catholicism the Church and its Teaching Magisterium is the author of their Salvation. Baptists, and most Protestant denominations, believe that Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of our Salvation.

Hebrews 12:2. Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[Walter]

Well said S/N. The difference: In Roman Catholicism the Church and its Teaching Magisterium is the author of their Salvation. Baptists, and most Protestant denominations, believe that Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of our Salvation.

Hebrews 12:2. Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Have you read the catechism on the subject?

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy. Its purpose is the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life:40


But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus.41

I would also add that Anglicans and Lutherans and many other Protestants have the same view on baptism that Catholics have.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Briona gloriana...

Originally Posted by Revmitchell


They worship Mary. Period.
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You responded....




No, venerating is NOT worship. One may ONLY worship the Lord God!!



The Catholic church ABSOLTUELY...CONSISTENTLY... AND DELIBERATLY engage in pure..undeluted...deliberite GODDESS. worship.

They can not slither out of it, no matter how they may try.

God have mercy

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Have you read the catechism on the subject?

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy. Its purpose is the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life:40


But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus.41

Please answer the question I posed before Walter......has Trent been rescinded & if so who, when & why. Thanks

 

[OldRegular]

Have you read the catechism on the subject?

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy. Its purpose is the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life:40

If justification is conferred by faith through baptism tell us all how an infant can have faith?

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus.41

I would also add that Anglicans and Lutherans and many other Protestants have the same view on baptism that Catholics have.

The following has been posted earlier but according to Trent justification is NOT by faith alone.

Canon 9.
If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone,[114] meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.

From: http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/TRENT6.HTM

It is my understanding that Anglicans and Lutherans believe in baptismal regeneration. They also do err not knowing Scripture. I pointed out in an earlier post that most, if not all, Protestant Churches brought something of Roman Catholicism with them when they rebelled. Baptists were never a part of Roman Catholicism and therefore have none of that baggage!