Featured 2 Thessalonians 2:13 What does it say?

The fact that what you are saying is not scriptural does not seem to bother you. You seem quite content to live with error.

 

Lol, Nothing changes, belief of the Truth, which is Faith in Christ who is the Truth, is a result of the Sanctifying work of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

So wherever we read of someone believing the Gospel Rom 1:16

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Believing in Jesus Christ Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It presupposes the Sanctifying work of the Spirit to cause it.

 

What you fail to comprehend, without God responding to man, man responding to God accomplishes nothing.

Romans 4:5, ". . . to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. . . ."

 

Only in your theology. The bible shows that you have to freely believe before you are saved.
You refuse to accept the truth of scripture.
Man hears the gospel then either rejects or accepts the gospel. If they accept the gospel message they are saved by the grace of God because of their faith. If they reject the gospel message they are condemned because of there lack of faith.

You quoted 2 Th 2:13, Rom 1:16 and Joh 3:16 and all these verses show the error of your theology. Man is saved by God because they believe which is clearly shown. You have to read into the text so as to hopefully make it fit your view, which it does not.

 

Nothing changes, those who believe have been already regenerated by the Spirit.

 

I have made my case many times via scripture and have yet to see one made via scripture that supports your view.
FYI I am not questioning that you use scripture, I am saying that you actually misuse the scriptures

I find it funny that you would hold to an old saying that is clearly false. "if you believe God is responding to man in salvation, then that is works." Whoever thinks this is supported by scripture obviously has not trusted what the Holy Spirit said.

Gal 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified

Rom 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

The teaching of scripture leaves no room for doubt that salvation is entirely by grace. But this salvation is only received through faith.

I would surmise that you are saying that faith is a meritorious work but in doing so you would be at odds with Christ Jesus & the Father.

Joh_6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

Faith in His son is the required work of God, the one work of God, the one thing God requires. One needs to put their trust in the One the Father has sent.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 

I see nobody, including myself, denying the work of the Holy Spirit. And as I stated...believe in the process, whatever order you believe you were led to believe. Other's don't agree with your intepretation.

 

But I notice that you do not post any scripture that supports your view. Why you do not actually trust what the Holy Spirit says I do not understand. It is not that complicated, only God can save and He has chosen to save those that believe in His son.

 

Logically if one repents it is because they believe and if they believe they will repent. One does not happen without the other. But these do not merit/earn you salvation. Salvation is only by the grace of God.

I believe salvation is wholly of God in that He owes no man forgiveness or eternal life, even if they freely repent and humbly submit to Him as Lord and Savior.

Asking for forgiveness no more merits that forgiveness than the prodigal son’s return home merited the reception he received from his father.

The false belief that forgiveness is somehow owed to those who freely humble themselves and ask for it can lead to erroneous conclusions.

While the other side of that is that faith in Christ Jesus is not required for salvation as God will give you faith after you are saved which has lead to some erroneous conclusions.
"A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved" Loraine Boettner

Faith in Christ Jesus is not a work, it is not meritorious but it is God's condition for salvation.

Bottom line
Salvation is the gift of God to undeserving mankind.

 

As you said we do disagree but unlike you I do find our discussions profitable. I had not even heard of the C vs A fight until a few years ago so for me having the opportunity to discuss the view points is enlightening. I grew up just trusting the bible so I find this idea of someone holding to what some men tell us the bible means quite interesting.

While I do not find either view to be wholly consistent with scripture I will say that I do find the Arminian view more in line with scripture and the character of God as presented in scripture. I, of course, do expect you to disagree with what I have said and thus our disagreements.

I think we will cross swords again on this board. If you see fit to respond then all to the good if you do not it is your choice.