3 classes of People

[Jarthur001]

Maybe I can explain now. If God knows when and how we are going to die then he according to us (man) He has foreknowledge of our death does He not, and that is because He sees all things right? Well our death has not happened, but God knows when and how that is going to happen.
The same is true with our Salvation. He according to (man or time) had foreknowledge before the world began whether we would believe or not believe the same as he has foreknowledge of our death, to which you have already agreed. For the same reason He foreknows our death, He foreknew our belief or non-belief, and if it was belief in Jesus, He called us, predestinated us to be conformed to the image of His Son, justified us and glorified us even though that is in the future as far as man is concerned, for we have time but according to God who is timeless, He has already saw it. I hope this explains my belief better. Peace :flower:

Bob...

This is all mans logic. It has no Bible backing at all. Election has nothing to do with our will..it has all to do with Gods plan and will. No matter how many times you say it..you will not find it in the Bible.

This has been shown many times to you, by many folks.

I'm off of here tonight. See you guys later this week.

 

[Brother Bob]

Timeless..yes
Electing only after someone choose. NO!! The only time we see 2 way choosing is God chooses 1st and then Man choose next. Do you have a verse that shows man choosing beofre God? I would like to see it.

Acts, chapter 16
"30": And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
"31": And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

This is just one but there are many.

1 Cor...
23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

26Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."[d]

After you believed then were you called and then were you predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, then were you justified, then were you Glorified of which is in the future but God has already seen it but we have not.
Isn’t it wonderful is we will believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God what He will do for us. Lift us out of a dead state of sin and make us alive in Christ Jesus. Amen, I cannot hardly hold my peace.

He did not will us to righteous.
our text says other wise..
Quote:
8He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."[d]

After you believed then were you called and then were you predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, then were you justified, then were you Glorified of which is in the future but God has already seen it but we have not.

God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Talking about Jesus not us.

He did not will us to believe.

Quote:
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

Proves my point!

I spoke earlier that God knows how and when we are going to die. Do you believe this? Yes

Maybe I can explain now. If God knows when and how we are going to die then he according to us (man) He has foreknowledge of our death does He not, and that is because He sees all things right? Well our death has not happened, but God knows when and how that is going to happen.
The same is true with our Salvation. He according to (man or time) had foreknowledge before the world began whether we would believe or not believe the same as he has foreknowledge of our death, to which you have already agreed. For the same reason He foreknows our death, He foreknew our belief or non-belief, and if it was belief in Jesus, He called us, predestinated us to be conformed to the image of His Son, justified us and glorified us even though that is in the future as far as man is concerned, for we have time but according to God who is timeless, He has already saw it. I hope this explains my belief better. Peace

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob...

This is all mans logic. It has no Bible backing at all. Election has nothing to do with our will..it has all to do with Gods plan and will. No matter how many times you say it..you will not find it in the Bible.

This has been shown many times to you, by many folks.

I'm off of here tonight. See you guys later this week.

It has everything to do with the Bible. Amen,:flower:

 

[ktn4eg]

'Tis not that I did choose Thee,
For, Lord, that could not be;
This heart would still refuse Thee,
Hadst Thou not chosen me.

Thou from the sin that stained me
Hast cleansed and set me free;
Of old Thou hast ordained me,
That I should live in Thee.

'Twas sovereign mercy called me
And taught my opening mind;
The world had else enthralled me,
To heavenly glories blind.

My heart owns none before Thee,
For Thy rich grace I thirst;
This knowing: If I love Thee,
Thou must have loved me first.

--Josiah Conder (1836)

 

[Jarthur001]

Bob,


You used this as a proof text...

Acts, chapter 16
"30": And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
"31": And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Who sent Paul to town, where he ended in jail and why was he sent?

 

[Jarthur001]

Bob,
One verse at a time..

1 Cor...
23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

Are these saved or unsaved?

 

[Brother Bob]

We can take it One Scripture at a time if you like, if it will help you?

1 Cor...
23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
Are these saved or unsaved?

This covers everyone doesn't it so among these is where the believers come from, I think you would agree on that unless it the believers come from aliens? It is saying that not many educated men, noble men are called.
I said I believe in a calling. After ye believe, He calls you, He predestinates you to be conformed to the image of His Son, He justifies you and He glorifies you. To be Glorified is in the future and you haven't seen it yet but God according to time of man foreknows it for He does see you glorified. If He foreknows your death, why would you find it hard to believe He foreknew you "believing". I don't understand you believe one but not the other. Mystery to me?
1 Corinthians, chapter 1

"22": For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

"23": But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

"24": But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

"25": Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

"26": For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

Acts, chapter 16
"30": And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
"31": And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Who sent Paul to town, where he ended in jail and why was he sent?

He was sent to the lost but he couldn't "believe" for them they had to do that on their own.

My heart owns none before Thee,
For Thy rich grace I thirst;
This knowing: If I love Thee,
Thou must have loved me first.

--

John, chapter 3

"16": For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Jarthur001]

Bob,
One verse at a time..

23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

Are these saved or unsaved?

You said a lot in your post. But I missed this...

Are they saved or unsaved?

 

[Jarthur001]

Bob,

Acts, chapter 16
"30": And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
"31": And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

I asked..
Who sent Paul to town, where he ended in jail and why was he sent?

You replied..
He was sent to the lost but he couldn't "believe" for them they had to do that on their own.

Again..who sent Paul?

 

[Jarthur001]

Hello Bob,

John, chapter 3

"16": For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 Cor 13
6(Love)does not rejoice in unrighteousness,(sinners? hummm) but rejoices with the truth; (Those that believe the truth? humm)

7(LOVE)bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

I love God, and He loves me. But He loved me before I loved Him.

 

[webdog]

This is just not in the Bible. You have everything backwards. Election is comes before faith and is clear many times over.

He Choose us before we choose him….not he choose us after we choose him.

All election is based on condition that requirements are meant in order to be elected. For example, to be president of the US, you must be 35 and born and raised in the US. I cannot run for presidency...yet, because I'm 34, therefore, I cannot be elected. Someone who is 35 and born in Taiwan cannot be president for obvious reasons. God set the requirements of who can run for the "office of God's son" ("whoever believes..."). If we meet those requirements set forth by HIM, we are "in Christ", making our election sure.

 

[Dale-c]

Ahh...so salvation is partly of man then?

 

[webdog]

Another strawman. Read Ephesians 2:8-9.

 

[webdog]

Ahh...so salvation is partly of man then?

By meeting the requirements, did George Bush contribute to his election by the people of the US (not counting his one vote)? By having faith in Christ, I put my hat into the race! My election is a sure thing, though, unlike those who try to get to Heaven on their own merit.

 

[webdog]

Bob...

This is all mans logic. It has no Bible backing at all. Election has nothing to do with our will..it has all to do with Gods plan and will. No matter how many times you say it..you will not find it in the Bible.

This has been shown many times to you, by many folks.

I'm off of here tonight. See you guys later this week.

God being omnipresent and omnitemporal is not man's logic. It's man's logic in using and attaching the moniker "fore" and "pre" with God, as He is not bound by our time as we know it. These phrases are for us to TRY to get a glimpse of God's infinite wonder.

 

[Brother Bob]

Who sent Paul to town, where he ended in jail and why was he sent?

He was sent of God to preach the Gospel by God, the same as all the Apostles and now those who are called of God to Preach; They undoubtablely were the unsaved but among them were those who would believe and be saved or the trip would of been useless.

Mark, chapter 16
"14": Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

"15": And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

"16": He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

This is the first sermon the Lord gave His Apostles after raising from the dead. Please take notice to those who believe.

I love God, and He loves me. But He loved me before I loved Him.

John, chapter 3

"16": For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Thank God He loved us all, amen.

 

[Jarthur001]

All election is based on condition that requirements are meant in order to be elected. For example, to be president of the US, you must be 35 and born and raised in the US. I cannot run for presidency...yet, because I'm 34, therefore, I cannot be elected. Someone who is 35 and born in Taiwan cannot be president for obvious reasons. God set the requirements of who can run for the "office of God's son" ("whoever believes..."). If we meet those requirements set forth by HIM, we are "in Christ", making our election sure.

I wanted to post this one..so that you will know I know about this. I pass it over for the moment, yet we will visit it tonight and have fun as I show you election from your own post.

 

[Jarthur001]

God being omnipresent and omnitemporal is not man's logic. It's man's logic in using and attaching the moniker "fore" and "pre" with God, as He is not bound by our time as we know it. These phrases are for us to TRY to get a glimpse of God's infinite wonder.

Indeed, as "fore" noted by me.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=814906&postcount=29

But you fail to see where this places you. This is supralapsarianism, if played out to the end. Would you care for me to show you?
All I can say..welcome to Calvinisim.

For me..I think I believe more in infralapsarianism.


You should have have fun with this one..No?



In Christ...James

 

[Jarthur001]

Hello Bob,

I see there is still a misunderstanding. I'm sorry for this, ...let me ask again.

1 Cor...
23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles

This verse in quotes above..not the one in Acts...but the one in 1 Cor..the text of the OP...is it talking about the saved or unsaved?


In Christ..James

 

[Blammo]

This verse in quotes above..not the one in Acts...but the one in 1 Cor..the text of the OP...is it talking about the saved or unsaved?

Both...

1 Corinthians 1:23-24 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

I see TWO classes of people: Those who will believe and those who will not. They come from TWO classes of people: Jews and Greeks