A Few Controversial Scriptures Examined

[OfLivingWaters]

Though Messianic means related to the Messiah when you say to the Messianic Jew "you are Christian" they prefer Messianic. They separate themselves from Gentile Christians. They say their belief system is different and choose to distinguish themselves from the rest of the Christians, not as fellow believers but in an attempt at superiority and to be more closely related to Judaic Rabbinical Jews. This grows more and more complicated, but in essence the Messianic wants to be accepted more by Yeshua hating Jews than Gentile Christians who are truly brethren. This is how the Messianic Jew rejects His name. They reject His name's sake in Gentiles for acceptance by Talmud touting Jews. Gentile Christians are of His name, for all is the same, yet the Messianic Jews make distinctions and reject being associated with, not adjoined to, but separated and divided from- hence, despise His name.

PART OF VERSE 6 CONTINUED :And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

The gentile are the grafted in and are called His Beloved:

The Calling of the Gentiles Romans 9:24-26

…24including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? 25As He says in Hosea: “I will call them My people who are not My people, and I will call her My beloved who is not My beloved,” 26and, “It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”…
Beloved means they will edify you and bring you true authentic Christianity=true love, they are the Rachel portion, the grafted in. They are the younger church, you may think your younger because you have in recent years FINALLY accepted Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. The younger means , they were born through the New covenant and did not know the OC until they embraced Christ. You had the OC= Leah before the New=Younger.

Malichi1:7

7Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible.

The polluted bread is the sacrifice of the supper of the Lord which through false teaching's of Protestant doctrinal fathers, becomes polluted.You are not pure therefore nor is your offering. Many Protestants reject Mary as mother and hold her as a sinner even after she received the Holy Seed, Christ. She can not sin once she abides for she abides in Christ, who is within her. These Protestant sects who hold to this and reject teaching about her have the jezebel spirit. many of this sect also deny Christ's true presents in His supper or Eucharist=(Thanksgiving). This spirit also rejects essential books of scripture which were books of study for ancient Hebrews and are treasured by gentiles who love and embrace Mary as Mother in truth.

Malichi1:8
8And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.

You offer the blind for sacrifice because you bring a false doctrine concerning Christ's gospel because it is a continuation of false Protestant doctrine, this mixed with rabbinical practices. As if the practices of Christ rejecting Jews matters, they are not even considered to be true Jews to Christ. You make others as blind as you and this you present to the Lord.

The Jews and the Law Romans2:28-29

…28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.

Malichi1:9-11

9And now, I pray you, beseech God that he will be gracious unto us: this hath been by your means: will he regard your persons? saith the LORD of hosts. 10Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for nought? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the LORD of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand. 11For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

Those......... whom you call Goyim -gives a most excellent offering in His name. Jesus Christ (Yeshua ha-Mashiach) is great among the gentile. Reject not this kin, this is whom you should be a part of.

Malichi1:12
12But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the LORD is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible.

This is the Word of the Lord which you reject as profane= Mary and all the teachings about her in Scripture. And the rejection of essential books. And your gentile brethren as less.

Malichi 1:13-14
13Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the LORD of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the LORD. 14But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.

You think teaching those thing's of Mary are wearisome, and snuff at it. You bring that which was torn= the traditions of rabbinical laws and the Talmud-this was symbolized when the temple curtain was torn after Christ's crucifixion. The lame= Protestant sect's teaching's which reject Mary, and therefore present a sick,=unhealthy doctrine.

Rev.2: Verse 20
20 But I have this against you: you tolerate that woman jezebel, who calls herself a prophet and is teaching and beguiling my servants to practice fornication and to eat food sacrificed to idols.

You follow the Woman = false church jezebel , they think they know scripture and the prophecy therein- the Protestants of jezebel do not! You practice fornication when you indulge in false Protestant sect's teachings ,and you eat food sacrificed to idols= to their doctrinal fathers. An idol is anything put above God and His Word. And in His Word it is taught that Mary is our Mother.

Rev2:VERSES 21-26

21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her fornication.
He has given these sects with the jezebel spirit time to repent. The Lord has tried to reach them too, so that they may come to the true understanding of Mary and the importance of the books of scripture they reject.

22 Beware, I am throwing her on a bed, and those who commit adultery with her I am throwing into great distress, unless they repent of her doings; 23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.

He will throw her on a sick bed= Protestants who reject Mother Mary, they will be sick when the truth is embraced by Jews of the mind frame of Thyatira that Mary is their mother and should be esteemed as such. These false Protestant sects will not repent, so anyone who commits adultery with her= follows her, will be thrown into tribulation and will be struck dead by God. And will suffer the second death as well.


24 But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call ‘the deep things of Satan,’ to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden; 25 only hold fast to what you have until I come. 26 To everyone who conquers and continues to do my works to the end,=

To the rest in the Thyatira state of being who do not hold to this Protestant teaching=( rejects it), and have not learned what some call "The deep things of satan"=(the TALMUD) ,hold fast to what you have learned until He comes.

Reward: Authority over nations= given an iron rod.

ADMONISHMENT: Get rid of the Talmud and Protestant false doctrines, accept it when you are called Christian it is all the same (ha Mashiach) and show love for the whole house.

ANGEL OVER THIS CHURCH:Uriel -Phanuel "face of God". Face your affliction as Jacob did his brother Esau, share the truth!

 

[HankD]

Interesting...

 

[OfLivingWaters]

I have a Forum and speak in many Forums. There was a certain of persons from a Protestant sect who entered into discussion and began to bash the "Two" The Catholic and Orthodox . This they did in what could be called a coded message.

This is a long post so get your reading glasses and some coffee. This Protestant of a certain sect does not have good English . I am posting the conversation as it is in my forum.
It went like this:

PROTESTANT POSTER SAYS:Hello sisters and brothers in Christ. I want to share with you my dream from August 2012. In this dream God said to me: "You have max. 7 years time to live" I asked "Why? It is End?" He said "YES" then I asked "What will be after that?" He said: " The sevivor will cry out for help and they will get help" End of dream. Now in January 2019 I asked Lord about my dream from 2012, and He gave me an other dream. In this dream He said, I have 6 months time to work and then I will go! I understood WORK, like stock up food. I don't know if this dreams only for me or it is rapture. Please pray over these dreams. God bless you all.

MY FORUM RESPONSE:
Hello and welcome! Peace in Christ. I will pray for you.

PROTESTANT POSTER:
Thank you. God bless you!

PROTESTANT POSTER CONTINUES:
Greetings, Amazed I am. First of all: Thank-you for sharing. I have been in an oddity for just over 7 yrs now and with another helper (intercessions thereof) in the Lord, it being close to that time period .
** "You have max. 7 years time to live" I asked "Why? It is End?" He said "YES" then I asked "What will be after that?" He said: " The sevivor will cry out for help and they will get help" End of dream.
--- I am: Stuck in an oddity that should Not Even Exist, but does, yet holding it does Not, according to The Word.
What I can say right now is: the delays were over with - so all those who stood and pressed on through what should not have been, once again and will end this year, well The Most High has some mighty Blessed things to give each one a Huge Hug with. Thank-you all for standing aright thru this time period. Not sure what to write, really, I am taking this (oddity I am in) as intersessions gone way wrong on the part of another ever since the beginning ……though it was to be something TOTALLY God Good. (which I take it, was for the whole body who are really with Him).
I stand waiting. Query? Is this for me, do I speak, what do I do? For a very special gift was given to a brother, and he did wrong with it, and yes against me and is to this day. But I see in much smaller ways how this has been going on for at least 36 years, that I personally know of, so is this to bring an end to all that bad? I pray so. Jesus turns wrong, bad etc around for Good. Only God is good. And all this so as to unify the body and make them One? … Could be one of the many out-showings of this. I can honestly say: ** The sevivor will cry out for help and they will get help === ---I fit this, but I figured it would just end. HELP, if this is me, if not me, the body is the somebody, the True body of Christ. They think to literally kill off the bridal saints. and Pollute His people and take over as the real. You see, they created a false church that appears as the real, stole even the furnishings of such. I have this dream written somewhere. That was 2010-2011. Since then, I know of one brother who has stood walking in Faith and having the Restoration of such take place. Together we stand. Thank-you again, and may this with the True Church, including the Fully Restored 5 fold ministry, show forth experientially !
I saw each office in the Lord, and the "2" which done bad. They have done bad to all. But all will be restored once again, for Divine Order to once again be established. Thank-you. Together we stand, divided we fall. The survivor is the True Body of Christ. ((( Hugs to all )))

MY FORUM RESPONSE:

Is this what you're trying to convey?
DETERIORATION FORETOLD
The word of the LORD that came to Joel, the son of Pethuel: Hear this, O elders, And listen, all inhabitants of the land. Has anything like this happened in your days Or in your fathers’ days? Tell your sons about it, And let your sons tell their sons, And their sons the next generation. What the gnawing locust has left, the swarming locust has eaten; And what the swarming locust has left, the creeping locust has eaten; And what the creeping locust has left, the stripping locust has eaten. (Joel 1:1-4)
So rejoice, O sons of Zion, And be glad in the LORD your God; For He has given you the early rain for your vindication. And He has poured down for you the rain, The early and latter rain as before. The threshing floors will be full of grain, And the vats will overflow with the new wine and oil. “Then I will make up to you for the years That the swarming locust has eaten, The creeping locust, the stripping locust and the gnawing locust, My great army which I sent among you. “You will have plenty to eat and be satisfied And praise the name of the LORD your God, Who has dealt wondrously with you; Then My people will never be put to shame. “Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, And that I am the LORD your God, And there is no other; And My people will never be put to shame. (Joel 2:23
Is this what you're trying to convey?
• Restorationism — The belief that God has progressively restored truths to the church since the Reformation, including justification by faith, water baptism by immersion, holiness, divine healing, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and, finally, the fivefold ministry.
• Fivefold ministry — The view that “the church cannot be fully effective without all five offices… functioning in the body of Christ.”
• Spiritual disciplines — Including deliverance, fasting, and the laying on of hands.
• Prophecy — “Prophecy would no longer be restricted to general words of exhortation, but would include personal detailed revelations for guidance and instruction.”
• Recovery of true worship — “The belief that God’s manifested presence is dependent upon a certain order of worship involving singing in tongues, clapping, shouting, singing prophecies, and a new order of praise dancing.”
• Immortalization of the saints — “The belief that only those believers moving in the truth of the Latter Rain restoration, not necessarily all in the church, will attain an immortal state before Christ returns.”
• Unity of the faith — “The doctrine that the church will attain unity of the faith before Christ returns.”

If anyone wants to have discussion concerning this , riddles are not necessary. Especially when they are so easily understood.

I know you have a mission and want to think you're enlightened. The Protestants think they are the prophesied restoration and that the RCC and Orthodox are the shearing locust . NOT SO!
The fact of the matter is there is no enlightenment in dissing the 'Two" as having NO saved souls from within them. That is an erroneous doctrine , that scripture does not support .

Did God really tell you an exact date concerning the end of your life? I know that pronouncement , wherever it comes from does not apply to everyone. An oddity for sure , you are . As for a brother having done wrong to whomever, GOD BLESS him. Did the Princess, the Shulammite appeal to this brother? I know i have brought many Protestants to the truth. And I know this brother you speak of.

May the FULLNESS of the gospel be known and it is not by a jezebel.
An oddity for sure! The "Two" the Orthodox and Catholic denominations , the "Two" you refer to are not what the jezebel prophetess has conveyed.

I'll break down the scriptures CORRECTLY.

Continued.........

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Book of Joel:

The word of the Lord, which came to Joel son of Pethuel.

2Hear this, you elders, and hearken, all you inhabitants of the land. Did this come about in your days or in the
days of your forefathers?

3Tell your children about it, and your children to their children, and their children to another generation.


4What the shearing locust left over, the increasing locust devoured, and what the increasing locust left over the
nibbling locust devoured, and what the nibbling locust left over the finishing locust devoured.


5Awaken, you drunkards, and weep; and wail, all you wine drinkers, concerning the strong wine, which has
been cut off from your mouth. :

6For a nation has ascended upon my land, mighty and innumerable; its teeth are like the teeth of an old lion, and
its molars are like those of a young lion.


7He has laid my vine waste, and my fig tree into a disappointment; he has peeled it and cast it off, its branches
have become white.

8Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth.

9Meal offering and libation have been cut off from the house of the Lord; the priests, the ministers of the Lord,
mourn.

10The field has been plundered, the soil destroyed, for corn has been plundered, must has dried up, oil has been
cut off.

11Be ashamed, you plowmen; wail, you vinedressers, for wheat and for barley, for the harvest of the field is
lost.

12The vines have dried up, and the fig trees have been cut off; the pomegranates, also the date palms and the
apples, all the trees of the field have dried up, for joy has dried up from the sons of man.

13Gird yourselves and lament, you priests; wail, you ministers of the altar; come, lodge in sackcloth, you minis-
ters of my God, for the meal offering and the libations have been withheld from the house of your God.


14Proclaim a fast, call an assembly; assemble, you elders, all the inhabitants of the land to the house of the Lord
your God, and cry out to the Lord.

15Woe is to the day, for the day of the Lord is near, and like plunder, it will come from the Almighty.


16Is not the food cut off from before our eyes? From the house of our God joy and jubilation?


17Casks of wine have gathered mold under their bungs, the storehouses are laid desolate, garners are demol-
ished, for the corn has dried out.

18How the cattle sighs, herds of cattle are perplexed, for they have no pasture; also flocks of sheep are laid
waste.

19To You, O Lord, I call, for a fire has consumed the dwellings of the wilderness, and a flame has burnt all the
trees of the field.

20Also, the beasts of the field cry out to You for the springs of water have dried up, and fire has consumed the
dwellings of the wilderness.


The Shearing locust are not the Orthodox and Catholics, they actually preserve more that is needed for study con-
cerning scriptures. The Catholics have a more whole Canon than you ,but the Orthodox have a greater Canon
than the Catholic, at least the Ethiopian Orthodox not in union with the RCC do.

No doubt the Queens have some flaws (MINOR) but they do hold more truth than the Protestants . Your sect not only has re-
jected and done away with many Hebraic works, you also cut off the Rites and resort to dividing scripture
against scripture. Your denomination with its many sects removed most of all the meat from Christianity in
your teaching. You deny Christ's Real presents in His Supper, performed by a Holy Priest and teacher in Christ.
You deny the 3 ways of administering baptism which yes- includes one form that you accept. You make no
sense, you deny all the saints throughout Christian history, as though Christianity begins and ends with you. And most
importantly you deny the Theotokos and Ark of the New Covenant- The Mother of Christ and Mother to all
born again in Him.For she labored for us all in laboring for Him. For in His birth is the birth of all who are to be
called sons and daughters of God the Father. Thus , you reject true belief in the Incarnation because Christ was
Incarnated of her sanctified flesh. Cannot Confess that without His Mother's inclusion 1John 4 the Confessing (Incarnation).

Proof that your denial of past saints before your arrival is nonsense is in this for instance and FACT:........ Saint
Mark established the Coptic Church in Egypt. They too use the Title "Pope" for the head of their Church. Mark
was the FIRST POPE- (father=teacher) . I know your sect says Christ says "call no one father" that only proves
you know not the scriptures because the Holy Spirit is not with you. I will have to make this a long post obvi-
ously because of the amount and degree of error you cling to.

St. Mark is the first Pope of the Coptic Church. Upon his death by martyrdom the torch was passed to St.
Anianus. St. Anianus was a Jew who lived in Alexandria Egypt. Proof of this is in a historical account that goes
like this: He was injured in a work place accident, where he severely injured his hand at which point he cried
"The Lord thy God is One".

Which was something only believed by the Jews. Upon hearing this St. Mark went to him and healed his hand.
He spoke to him about the Messiah Yeshua and Anianus converted to Christianity and followed Mark. Mark
would appoint him as the next Steward of the faith to preserve the faith in Egypt. Hence , Anianus became the
second Pope (father- teacher of the faith to have the Key of David placed upon his shoulder). You cannot ignore these historical facts.
Just as St. Peter established the church in Rome. What the weeds and wolves have done is on them! They arise everywhere amongst the faithful.



If you read in Joel :

5Awaken, you drunkards, and weep; and wail, all you wine drinkers, concerning the strong wine, which has
been cut off from your mouth.



An unlearned student not in the Holy Spirit would think God is forbidding wine, NO, HE IS AGAINST
DRUNKARDS. He is NOT referring to the wine and bread offered upon the ALTAR. (THE ALTAR), some-
thing your sect does not have, you have a PULPIT not an altar to offer up the final sacrifice THE EUCHARIST.

13Gird yourselves and lament, you priests; wail, (you ministers of the altar come, lodge in sackcloth, you min-
isters of (my God), for the meal offering and the libations have been withheld from the house of your God.(Your GOD is MY GOD in Joel's verse).

Obviously this IS NOT SPEAKING ABOUT your sect. For it states that the ministers of the altar are MINIS-
TERS OF MY GOD,

THE PROPHET JOEL'S God.

Those who keep up with my post no the sacrifice which is going to be cut off is the Supper of the Lord cele-
brated by the "TWO" you imply are the locust in subtle hint. The (MEAL OFFERING AND THE LIBATIONS) are the in-
stituted Supper of Christ. It is a RITE. You possess NO RITES, thus you are not a Queen .

Continued....

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Some more admonishment and edification and greater clarity concerning the 5 fold ministry of scripture. Just so you know, I call no man "father" who knows
less than me.However , the unlearned can call Holy Priest father= teacher because they no more than the un-
learned. For myself, a sister to the true priest of God I call them brothers. Why? Because I am a Shulammite and they call me sister and expect me to call them brothers.
When one receives anointing from God the Father and becomes a teacher in Christ and equal- then brother or sister can be said. At present I am a
mother to many because I am a shepherdess and minster to the soul , giving growth to the baptized (by water) in Christ , regardless of denomination.

Call No Man Rabbi : THIS IS REAL TORAH LIFE!

“Text without Context is just a Pretext”.

Before I explain about the context of “Call no man Rabbi”, I want to give a few scriptures and ask some ques-
tions.

Here is the foundational scriptures. It is found in Matthew 23:6-10, which reads:"They love the place of honor
at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces, and being called
Rabbi by men. But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. [Do not call any-
one on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Do not be called leaders; for One is your
Leader, that is, the Messiah.”

This verse created major problems. It is misused to “call no man Rabbi.”

Q: If we can't judge correctly the simple passages then how are we going to get to the meat of what the Scrip-
tures offers us?

Consider This: The word “Rabbi” comes from the Hebrew word “rab” or “rav”, meaning “great” as in
“numerous” or “much”. The name “Rabbi” means “one who has much”. This is why it is used for “teacher”, -
because he has much knowledge and understanding. The word “Rabbi” means “Teacher,” as recorded in John
1:38 “And Jesus turned, and beheld them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? And they said unto
him,Rabbi (which is to say, being interpreted, Teacher), where abideth thou?”

The phrase in “which means teacher” is in parenthesis (added by the Translators), yet appears in the Greek text
as the word “didaskalos” (Greek for “teacher”)

The word and title “Rabbi” did not come from Babylon. It came into being after the return of Judah to Jerusa-
lem. Judah would be governed by “Seventy Elders” (theSanhedrin) and the “High Priest”. These elders would
be a mix of “rabbis”, who would form political parties, based on their interpretations of Scripture, (i.e.Pharisees
and Sadducees).

Q: What’s Yeshua’s saying to them?

Q: Do not become “rabbis” or “teachers”? - No, that is a “gift of ministry.”

Q: Do not be known as a “father”? - No, even Paul called himself the “father” of Onesimus in Philemon 1:10.
Alsomany scriptures refers to the patriarchs as our “fathers.”

Q: Do not be or become known as “leaders”? - No, Why?

At the last supper, after Yeshua broke the bread and gave thanks, we read in Luke 22:26, “But it is not this way
with you, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the ser-
vant.”

After saying “only One is your Father", Yeshua proceeded to declare, "And do not be called teachers; for One is
your Teacher, the Messiah". Yet He Himself acknowledged Nicodemus to be the "teacher of Israel" [John 3:1}

In the synagogue at Antioch, certain men were called "prophets and teachers".

Paul not only recognized teachers as gifts of God to the body of Messiah, but he also did not hesitate to call
himself "a teacher of the Gentiles"

Major Point: Yeshua was condemning wearing religion on the outside for the praise of men. In the context here,
He refers to the accepted common usage of His day to the word rabbi as “Master.” This was a misappropriation
of the term of the title assigning authority not given by God.

Consider this: A Rabbi is A SOURCE of Knowledge; a Leader is A SOURCE of Authority; and the Father is
the SOURCE of Life. With this in mind, let’s now consider the questions:

Rabbi


It is written in John 3:10, “Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou the teacher of Israel, and understandest
not these things?

Q: If Yeshua (Jesus) literally meant “Call no man Rabbi (Teacher)”, why would He call Nicodemus “THE
TEACHER OF ISRAEL”?

It is written in Ephesians 4:11 “and *he* has given some apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelists,
and some shepherds and teachers “

Q: If, according to Matthew 23:8, there is only One Teacher (Rabbi), which is the Messiah, why did He give
teachers to His body as part of the 5-fold Ministry?

Q: If Yeshua (Jesus) seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," Why, in Matthew 28:19–20, does the Mes-
siah himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: It reads "Go therefore and make disciples of all
nations . . . teachingthem to observe all that I have commanded you."

Paul speaks of his commission as a apostle and teacher. It is written in I Timothy 2:7“Whereunto I am ordained
a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

He also writes in II Timothy 1:11 “Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the
Gentiles.”

Q: Was Paul violating the Messiah’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to himself as a "teacher?"

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[OfLivingWaters]

Father

Now allow me to quote another part of the verses. It is written in Matthew 23:7-12, “And greetings in the mar-
kets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be
your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be ex-
alted.

Consider this: Based on the way you interpreted verse 8, you must also apply that same interpretation to verse 9
or you will be taking the verse out of its context. With this in mind, I want to ask some more questions:

Q: What do you call the person who married your mother?

Point: Paul called himself a Father

I Corinthians 4:15 – “For even if you have ten thousand trainers in connection with the Messiah, you do not
have many fathers; for in connection with the Messiah Yeshua it was I who became your father by means of the
Good News.” It is written in Philemon 1:10, “I beseech thee for my child, whom I have begotten in my bonds,
Onesimus,” Paul referred to himself as a “father” when he called Onesimus his child.

Q: Did Paul reject Yeshua’s (Jesus) words when he did this?

John, the Apostle, calls mature believers in the faith “fathers”. He writes in I John 2:13-14 “I write unto you,
fathers, because ye know him who is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have over-
come the evil one. I have written unto you, little children, because ye know the Father. I have written unto
you,fathers, because ye know him who is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye
are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the evil one.

Q: Did not John “get the memo” when Yeshua (Jesus) spoke these words in Matthew 23?

Believers sometimes slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people "doctor," for example, medical doctors,
as well as professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that
"doctor" is simply the Latin word for "teacher."

Even "Mister" and "Mrs." are forms of the word "master," also mentioned by Yeshua (Jesus). If his words in
Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Believers would be just as guilty for using the word "teacher" and
"doctor" and "mister" as Catholics are for saying "father." Clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of the
Messiah’s words.

Yeshua taught according to Torah, never departing from it. If he forbad calling any man “father” he destroyed
the very Torah that he came to proclaim. How? He would not be disallowing men to address Abraham as the
forefather of Israel. It would have, from that point onward, caused all those who believed him to skim over the
Torah that refers to fathers and teachers. It would have also called into question many verses in the Torah and
many future epistles that became part of Scripture.

What did Yeshua (Jesus) mean?

Again, look at the context. He criticized Jewish leaders who love "the place of honor at feasts and the best seats
in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called ‘rabbi’ by men" (Matthew 23:6–7). His
admonition here is a response to the Pharisees’ proud hearts and their gasping after marks of status and prestige.

He was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud
they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead
setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers

Another example of Hyperbole is when Yeshua (Jesus) said “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and
throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell"
(Matthew 5:29, 18:9; Mark 9:47). Yeshua certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all
believers in the Body of Messiah would be blind amputees!

There was also a temptation in the Jewish world of Yeshua’s day, when famous rabbinical leaders, especially
those who founded important schools, such as Hillel and Shammai, were highly exalted by their disciples. It is
this elevation of an individual man—the formation of a "cult of personality" around him—of which Yeshua is
speaking when he warns against attributing to someone an undue role as master, father, or teacher.

He is not forbidding us to recognize that the person does have a role as a spiritual father and teacher. The exam-
ple of his own apostles shows us that.

(NOTE: My Bible is the Hebrew and Greek Study Bible (NASV). It is one of the only Bibles I found that lines
up with the original manuscripts. It also gives me the meanings of Hebrew and Greek words through the
Strong’s numbering system).

With this understanding, reread the context of Matthew 23:1-7, but let me quote it from this Hebrew and Greek
Study Bible (NASV). It is written “saying, The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of
Moses: therefore, all that they tell you, do and observe: but do not do according to their deeds; for they say
things, and do not do them. and they tie up heavy loads and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves
are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men: for they
broaden their phylacteries, and lengthen the tassels of their garments, and they love the place of honor at ban-
quets, and thechief seats in the synagogues, and respectful greetings in the marketplaces, and tobe called of
men, Rabbi.”

Consider this: Judaism has had an ancient tradition that when a leader is appointed to the Sanhedrin, he declines
the post three times. In fact it is unheard of within Judaism for a Jew to work ambitiously toward any spiritual
leadership role with the aim of making a name for himself. Yeshua is stating that no-one should seek titles (in
particular rabbi) to gratify their own selfish desire. Such a man receives openly the praise of men and in so do-
ing becomes disqualified from a reward in the World to Come.

CONTINUED........;.

 

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The Messiah was teaching that all titles, which denote mastery of a profession should not be used to make one a
master over another or allow one to view another as being more important.

Torah teaches that the greatest person is the one who serves and attends to the needs of others vigilantly

Remember, Yeshua was talking to Jews and therefore dealt with the title that they were most abusing. In the
context here He refers to the then accepted common usage of the word rabbi as “Master.” This was a misappro-
priation of the term of the title assigning authority not given by God. He is not picking on one or two titles out
of a multitude of manmade titles and forbidding their usage. He is attacking an ungodly principle involving that
which religious people tend to play. Their desire for titles that men invest with has attached to them authority,
esteem, and self-importance. This is an ungodly attitude, and is prohibited by Yeshua.

Unfortunately, the church has a problem with the Hebrew word "Rabbi," but not the concept of “teacher,”
thereby revealing their latent anti-Semitism. True rabbis are teachers of God’s word. The proof is all the reli-
gious leaders today who prefix their name with the title “Doctor” that is not earned, yet used to set himself/
herself apart from the rest of the people is sinful behavior.

Consider this point: Some religious leaders think they are more accurate to scripture by being called pastoror
elder. Yet, under the principle of Messiah these titles can be just as much used in an evil way. “Pastor”, scholars
say, means shepherd,

With this fact in mind, now answer these questions:

Who can be a shepherd but the Good Shepherd, Yeshua?

Who is worthy to be called Shepherd except Him?

Does not the title shepherd distinguish one from the sheep?


So a pastor cannot be equal with the sheep, but rather the master of the sheep! In addition, the word “pastor” is
linked to the Greek word pater, which means father.What do we do when we should call no man “father”? It
was not titles themselves that our Messiah was warning against, but rather the disciple's desire to be exalted.

God’s Chain of Command

In any army there is a chain of command. Winning battles depends on everyone's important contribution. The
chain of command is used for communication and ord YHVH used a chain of command when He set Israel in
order, using Moses, Samuel and David to define it. By God's Word, there were set judges, elders, priests,
Prophets, Captains, and eventually Kings and Princes.

The army of our Messiah, Yeshua, is no different. There must be a chain of command, and titles are used to de-
fine the chain. The purpose of the title is to set in order, not to puff up those who have them. God has equalized
his people, as He did with Israel of old, by declaring them all kings and priests in the realm of the Kingdom of
heaven. But this does not change the necessary chain of command and the appointment of certain ones to cer-
tain tasks.

These titles in the chain do not define our importance, but only our responsibility to Him. The title is not evil by
itself; it is what we think of it. This is why my Rabbi asked to be called “Rabbi.”

In the Messianic Jewish movement the title of Rabbi consists of a vocation ministry responsibility under the
Messiah. It is NOT a title of exaltation, but given only for purpose of order in the body. In Modern Hebrew it
means simply teacher.

Today a Rabbi is a congregational leader/servant.



He is an administrator of the business and spiritual things in the congregation given to him by God.

He organizes and encourages the various gifts and callings in the congregation.

He is responsible to teach the Torah, the Word of God, soberly with earnest study, but He is not the only one
responsible.

He is traditionally of Jewish origin, so the title helps him to identify with and to serve the Jewish people espe-
cially, but not exclusively. The Messianic Rabbi is in his role because of Divine appointment, not because of
personal worth or even skill. He will be judged, according to James 3:1, more severely than most at the judg-
ment because of his responsibility.Consider this verse: It is written in James 3:1 “Be not many of you teachers,
my brethren, knowing that we shall receive heavier judgment.”

This verse sets up the context of Chapter 3 which talks about the “power of the tongue.” To remove this verse,
as most people do, destroys the entire context of chapter 3.

Rather than prideful in His work, the Messianic Rabbi mostly feels inadequate, unworthy, and trembling at the
task. He realizes that nothing he does of himself actually accomplishes anything; that it is Adonai who does all
that is good and eternal in quality. He knows and acts, knowing that he is no more important than the least, in
fact, he is the least.

Shalom


Proof that at present not all are all on the same page to be elevated in equality and knowledge of God ,
is in the fact you are being admonished and being taught the truth in this post, which has come from someone in a Higher grade than you. I argue graduation is not far off
for me.

Obviously Christ does not like whited sepulchers and hypocrites who walk around like priest and demanding to be called father when they do not stay upon the foundation CHRIST, to be that!

 

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Part 29: Mark of the Beast

Over the centuries much controversy has swirled around a valid, practical explanation of Rev. 13:16-17:

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Thus far, it has been proven the Roman Church has decreed it a serious criminal offense for any of its citizens or clergy to conduct any type of trade or commerce with declared ‘heretics.’

The next question to be proven is that of ‘the mark of the Beast.’

If the ‘Beast’ consists of the clerical members and lay supporters of the Roman Catholic Church, with the Pope as its head, as the ‘heretics’ insisted, then one should expect to find this ‘Beast’ somehow connected to giving ‘the mark.’

To many, the ‘mark’ is understood to be literal, irreversible branding. An excellent summation of the history of human branding with literal, physical marks on the skin can be reviewed here.

By using this reasoning, the Roman Catholic Church can, for many, be dismissed as that false Church who obeys the ‘Beast’ depicted in the Revelation, though she does fulfill numerous other unlikely prophecies.

However, both the pre-Reformation and Reformation Protestant ‘heretics’, having in-depth knowledge of the teachings of the Roman Church, understood the true meaning of ‘the mark.’

Although a simple non-literal, spiritual explanation exists, such as: it is with the mind that one begins to believe and agree with the doctrines and teachings of the Roman Church and it is with the right hand that one begins to put into practice what one believes; (or it is with the right hand that one shakes the hand of those with whom they are in agreement), a much more exact fulfillment of the prophecy exists.

To solve this solvable mystery, the diligent truth seeker must first examine official Roman Catholic Church documents which detail the practices and meaning of several essential rituals particular to their Church.

Let’s begin examining the clues by reviewing the Douay-Rheims translation of Rev. 13:16-17:

And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads. And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Interestingly, of all the translations found on biblehub.com, this is the only translation which translates mark as character.

Does the Roman Catholic Church claim to bestow a character on its adherents, be they whatever age, gender, work profession or social status?

It is without controversy that the Council of Trent is considered one of the foremost authoritative councils whose decrees are foundational to the teachings and doctrines of the Roman Church.

THE COUNCIL OF TRENT

Session VII - Celebrated on the third day of March 1547, under Pope Paul III

Canon 9. If anyone says that in three sacraments, namely, baptism, confirmation and [holy] order, there is not imprinted on the soul a character, that is, a certain spiritual and indelible mark, by reason of which they cannot be repeated, let him be anathema.

This doctrinal decree is held to this very day.

Catechism of the Catholic Church (1995):

1272 Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation. Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated.

1304 Like Baptism which it completes, Confirmation is given only once, for it too imprints on the soul an indelible spiritual mark, the “character,” which is the sign that Jesus Christ has marked a Christian with the seal of his Spirit by clothing him with power from on high so that he may be his witness.


VII. THE EFFECTS OF THE SACRAMENT OF HOLY ORDERS

The indelible character

1581 This sacrament configures the recipient to Christ by a special grace of the Holy Spirit, so that he may serve as Christ's instrument for his Church. By ordination one is enabled to act as a representative of Christ, Head of the Church, in his triple office of priest, prophet, and king.

1582 As in the case of Baptism and Confirmation this share in Christ's office is granted once for all. The sacrament of Holy Orders, like the other two, confers an indelible spiritual character and cannot be repeated or conferred temporarily.

NEXT: This mark/character is given by the right hand of a Roman Catholic clergyman tracing the sign of the cross on the recipient’s forehead or right hand.

Do not think that the Marof of the Beast is anything in RC church, as it involves the coming Antichrist world order!

 

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I must praise my Rabbi , All glory to you My Lord and Savior Yeshua ha Mashiach ( Jesus the Christ), from whom all wisdom flows. who took it upon Himself to personally teach me. " Those who open the door to Me I will come in and sup with Him and he with Me". He has caused a door to be opened to me that No man can shut!

I think that the reason that all the true doctrines have to be preserved by those who are called out of the RCC, is because Jorge Bergoglio is involved with those who are setting up the Mark of the Beast system

"Mother of All harlots and the Abominations of the earth". It is clear that Rome is the hub of the Vatican. Mother of all harlots means that, because it is the Biggest most powerful and influential denomination , it is therefore, the Mother in harlotry (because of power)of all denominations. This does not mean that other denominations are not harlots. A for instance...... it is clear most Protestant sects do not believe in Christ's real presents in His supper.
But that is silly, because Christ clearly says:

John 6:53-55
Jesus the Bread of Life
…53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For My flesh is real food, and My blood is real drink.…

Obviously regular bread and wine can not do this.The faithful who have the Holy Spirit transform the bread and wine . The key is you must have the Holy Spirit. Christ was teaching the Kingdom of heaven and in obedience to all His decrees , you are His followers and therefore have His spirit. Yes!, it is a miraculous act.

tran·sub·stan·ti·a·tion
/ˌtran(t)səbˌstan(t)SHēˈāSH(ə)n/


noun
Christian Theology
noun: transubstantiation

1. (especially in the Roman Catholic Church) the conversion of the substance of the Eucharistic elements into the body and blood of Christ at consecration, only the appearances of bread and wine still remaining.

A very special act of consecration is that of the bread and wine used in the Eucharist, which according to Catholic belief involves their change into the Body and Blood of Christ, a change referred to as transubstantiation. To consecrate the bread and wine, the priest speaks the Words of Institution.
Christ is the High Priest and under His order, the order of Melchizedek , the priesthood is preserved. Christ is Melchizedek (That is for another thread).
It is clear that Christ is the Final sacrifice and it is this that is to be offered up upon God's altar.

Now a doctrine of Heresy...... I had a heated debate with some Catholics who turned out to be heretics. They had a problem with a teaching I uphold and admonished them for maligning .I know that the priest of God must be HOLY in order for transubstantiation to happen. Simply, the Holy Spirit is only present in a Holy person. These heretics told me that a priest or anyone to the service of Christ , can be in (Mortal Sin ) and still perform the sacred act of consecration and transubstantiation will still occur.

I told them that was a lie and they have instead offered upon God's altar a profaned offering because the Holy Spirit is not present in an unholy person. This catholic heresy was upheld by a priest I confronted, he taught this heresy which is upheld by other heretics of the RCC.

It contradicts not only the scriptures but the RCC's doctrine of transubstantiation. If an unholy priest , in mortal sin can do the consecration then according to the heretics argument , then satan himself can.

Think about it... If members of the body of Christ are not to pray for such a type of sin called (Mortal) then how can an unholy priest in mortal sin perform any priestly duty? Christ is not present in the man, therefore nor is He then in the bread and wine he offers..
Venial & Mortal sin:

1 John 5:
Effective Prayer
…16If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death( not leading to mortal sin), he should ask God, who will give life to those who commit this kind of sin (Venial, a sin that does not lead to death). There is a sin that leads to death (mortal sin); I am not saying he should ask regarding that sin. 17All unrighteousness is sin, yet there is sin that does not lead to death(venial sin does not lead to death). 18We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him.…

So clearly the doctrine that says a priest in mortal sin can do the consecration is HARLOTRY. Do you get it?
That is an example of the harlotry of the RCC. There are contradicting doctrines, though it holds truth, it also attaches to that truth a false doctrine. It maligns the truth then, in essence. This is a clever scheme of the father of lies to bring men to discredit anything true . If you reject the necessity of a holy priesthood , nothing is held as sacred then. I was told by these heretics that I am teaching a false doctrine. Imagine, a lover of Christ being told I am a liar for upholding Christ's teaching- that we must be holy as our heavenly Father is holy, i am the liar?

The DIVINE ASSEMBLY , DUH! Means just that, we must be divine and that happens in Christ. This is a complicated time . That is why Christ has called the few to preserve TRUTH. During a time of desolation, they will bring many to Christ. That is why I test and have not been indoctrinated. The Protestants simply deny all, because they hate the Harlot. And I will not ,as a called out Catholic deny what is true, and I do use scripture to uphold my doctrines. I know all I speak is no lie and is of a Virgin soul, I have not been defiled.

I do not deny that Rome, where the Mother of all harlots sits is not what the scriptures say it is. I never loose debates with Protestants because I know that the Vatican is, and that the Catholic Church has many harlot doctrines. such as the one I just pointed out. But the Protestants, throw out the BABY with dirty bath water.

Venial sin , Mortal sin ,Transubstantiation , and a Holy Priesthood is upheld by scripture alone. The Holy priest has been given the authority to consecrate the the offering making it (Christ), from in Him to the offering......... the scriptures uphold that.

I have been asked by pastor (paters-fathers) if that means they have to go to seminary. Or join the Catholic church. NO! All one needs to do is obey the written word. Christ chooses men and anoints them. An Institution does not approve you , Christ does. Simply add the truths I share, to your teachings. Guide your flock in all truth. This will bring me to my next issue, the true meaning of Apostolic Succession. The hierarchy is bothered by that one. It would seem that Christ is not kidding when He thanks the Father for revealing the secrets of the kingdom of heaven to the little ones.
To Be Continued........

 

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#9: Reigns over Kings
For his last argument, Hunt states, “Finally, the angel reveals that the woman ‘is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth’ (verse 18). Is there such a city? Yes, and again only one: Vatican City.”

This is a joke. Vatican City has no power over other nations; it certainly does not reign over them. In fact, the Vatican’s very existence has been threatened in the past two centuries by Italian nationalism.

Hunt appeals to power the popes once had over Christian political rulers, but at that time there was no Vatican City. The Vatican only became a separate city in 1929.

The modern city of Rome is only a very minor political force. If the reign is a literal, political one, then pagan Rome fulfills the requirement far better than Christian Rome ever did.

The "lot of hooey' is trying to deny the city named as the harlot is any but ROME, ITALY. In John's time, it was the city that reigned over many "kings of the earth"; the Vatican didn't exist then. But it's now an integral part of Rome. And the "beast", which is both the antichrist and his empire, hasn't yet come. When it does, the Vatican will try to "ride" him, that is, control him, but it won't be able to, & he & his empire will turn on it.

Where's the Scriptural authorization for popes, cardinals, or man-made saints ????????????????????

 

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Romans 12:
Living Sacrifices
…2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. 4Just as each of us has one body with many members, and not all members have the same function,…

Some did not get the memo, the beast system is already here. It is just simply coming into its maturity of the Mark now, in the End Times.Some serve the Harlot who wields her power form the backs of nations and other's simply serve the government beast system itself. She may have her demise before all the Beast system does, but makes no difference to the fact that same demise is for the world and those of it.The beast system is already here and progressing in strength to the application of the Mark. After the blow to the head of the Beast upon the sea :
The beast of the sea
Beast from the sea
The description of the beast is found primarily in Revelation chapters thirteen and seventeen. Chapter thirteen gives the fullest description. John saw it "rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."
The seven Hills are specific to Rome but extends further in reach to the Kingdoms of Men , like the G7 nations that she also sits upon, and the 10 Legislative branches of the EU are the ten horns , and the name of Blasphemy upon the heads of those kingdoms is Rothschild.
The first and second Woes will be devastating to the Babylonian system already in place. The first WOE of Rev.12 is soon upon us. It will come when the Elect Bride accomplishes her work in labor of bring forth the Male Child in the souls of men. That is when the dragon is cast down, and then will pursue the Elect woman, who will be given TWO nourishment times. The one in which she flees to her place and the second when she is bore up on eagles wings and translocated supernaturally by the power of God. Those whom she brought into the TRUTH , =her off spring the serpent will wage war against.The coming Woes are at hand. Thank God for the SAINTS OF GOD , throughout the History of Christianity, they will rejoice at the fall of all who are worldly.
The Marriage of the Lamb
…8She was given clothing of fine linen, bright and pure.” For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints. 9Then the angel told me to write, “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the TRUE words of God.”
Those who are the TRUE words of God are the ones who are invited.

 

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Harlots stance :
If a priest is in the state of mortal sin, can he still offer the Mass and perform the other sacraments?


When a sacrament is celebrated according to the norms of the Church and in faith, we believe that it confers the grace it signifies. While a human being is the minister of the sacrament, Christ Himself is the one who is at work: He baptizes, He confirms, He absolves, He changes the bread and wine into His Body and Blood, He unites a couple in marriage, He ordains, and He anoints. Acting in His sacraments, Christ communicates the grace– that sharing in the divine life and love of God– offered through each sacrament. (Confer the Catechism, #1127-28.)

Therefore, the Church has taught that the sacraments act ex opere operato, that is “by the very fact of the action’s being performed.” The efficacy of the sacrament does not depend upon the human minister– whether a bishop, priest, deacon, or layperson– being free of mortal sin and thereby in a state of grace. Here then is the distinction between Christ who instituted the sacraments and acts through them to communicate His grace, and the human person who acts as Christ’s minister in performing the sacrament.

Actually this problem of the minister being in a state of grace and the efficacy of the sacrament emerged early in the Church. Beginning in the year 311 in northern Africa, a dispute arose whether Bishop Caecilian of Carthage had been duly consecrated. Allegedly, his consecrators had showed weakness during the time of persecution, thereby supposedly making them unworthy and unable to consecrate. Donatus (270-355), heading the dissenting party, argued that Caecilian’s consecration as a bishop was invalid. Moreover, this party’s platform, officially labeled the heresy of Donatism, asserted that the validity of a sacrament depends upon the minister’s holiness.

In 313, a special synod was held at the Lateran Palace in Rome to deal with this issue. Donatus was condemned and excommunicated, not only for his heretical teaching but also for rebaptizing and ordaining apostates. However, the heresy continued to plague the Church until Emperor Honorius renewed the condemnation of the Donatists and imposed severe civil sanctions against them in 411.

During this time, St. Augustine (354-430) was the great champion of true Catholic teaching. In his In Ioannis evangelium tractatus, he forcefully distinguished the action of Christ versus the action of the minister when performing a sacrament: Christ acts by His power, while the minister acts by his ministry entrusted to him by Christ. Therefore, “…those whom Judas baptized, Christ baptized. So too, then, those whom a drunkard baptized, those whom a murderer baptized, those whom an adulterer baptized, if the Baptism was of Christ, Christ baptized” (5,18).

Nevertheless, St. Augustine also sharply chastised the minister not properly disposed to perform the sacrament: “As for the proud minister, he is to be ranked with the devil. Christ’s gift is not thereby profaned: what flows through him keeps its purity, and what passes through him remains clear and reaches the fertile earth…. The spiritual power of the sacrament is indeed comparable to light: those to be enlightened receive it in its purity, and if it should pass through defiled beings, it is not itself defiled.” (In Ioannis evangelium tractatus, 5, 15).

The Church has continued to reassert this teaching, especially in those times of crisis. In the Middle Ages, when clerical laxity was a problem in some areas, St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1224) taught, “The sacrament is not wrought by the righteousness of either the celebrant or the recipient, but by the power of God” (Summa Theologiae, III, 68, 8). In response to the objections of certain Protestant Reformers, the Council of Trent in its Decree on the Sacraments (1547) declared, “If anyone says that a minister in the state of mortal sin, though he observes all the essentials that belong to the performing and conferring of the sacrament, does not perform or confer the sacrament, anathema sit [“let him be condemned”]. Finally, the Catechism asserts, “From the moment that a sacrament is celebrated in accordance with the intention of the Church, the power of Christ and His Spirit acts in and through it, independently of the personal holiness of the minister” (#1128).

In all, the Church’s teaching is really spiritual common sense. Christ who instituted the sacraments must be the one who actually works the sacrament, thereby giving us the assurance that the sacrament has indeed worked and conveyed the grace it signifies. If the efficacy depended upon the human minister, how could anyone of us be assured that the sacrament worked and we received the promised grace? Such assurance is not humanly obtainable. Nevertheless, priests must strive always to be worthy ministers of the sacraments they celebrate, acting in a state of grace and reflecting the Christ in whose person they act.

 

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SAINTS STANCE :

Does the priest that celebrates in mortal sin give honor to God? As far as regards himself, he treats the Lord with the greatest dishonor that can be offered to Him, by despising Him in his own person. For by his sacrilege he appears, as far as in him lies, to defile the immaculate Lamb, Whom he immolates in the Consecrated Host. To you, O Priests, says the Lord by the Prophet Malachy, who despise My name, . . . you offer polluted bread upon My altar, and you say, wherein have we polluted Thee? “We,” says St. Jerome, in his comment on this passage, “pollute the bread, that is, the body of Christ, when we unworthily approach the Altar.”

God cannot raise a man to a greater elevation than by conferring on him the sacerdotal dignity. How many selections must the Lord have made in calling a person to the priesthood. First, he must select him from a countless number of possible creatures. He must then separate him from so many millions of pagans and heretics, and, lastly, he must make choice of him from the immense multitude of the faithful. And what power does God confer on this man? If the Lord bestowed only on one man the power of calling down by his words the Son of God from Heaven, how great should be his obligations and his gratitude to the Lord! This power God grants to every priest. Lifting up the poor out of the dunghill, that he may place him with princes, with the princes of His people. [Ps. 62: 6]


The number of persons to whom God has given this power does not diminish the dignity or the obligations of the priesthood. But what does the priest do that celebrates in the state of sin? He dishonors and despises the Lord, by declaring that so great a Sacrifice is not deserving of the reverence which would make him dread the sacrilegious oblation of it, says St. Cyril.
“The hand,” says St. John Chrysostom, “that touches the sacred Flesh of Jesus Christ, and the tongue that is purpled with His Divine Blood, should be purer than the rays of the sun.” In another place he says “that a priest ascending the Altar should be possessed of purity and sanctity which would merit for him a place in the midst of the Angels.” How great, then, must be the horror of the Angels when they behold a priest, who is the enemy of God, stretching forth his sacrilegious hands to touch and eat the immaculate Lamb!


Still more wicked is the priest that celebrates Mass with a soul defiled by mortal sin. God turns away His eyes that He may not behold such horrible impiety.When, says the Lord, you stretch forth your hands, I will turn away My eyes, for your hands are fu// of blood. [Is. 1: 15] To express the disgust that He feels at the sight of such sacrilegious priests, the Lord declares that He will scatter the dung of their sacrifices over their faces: I will scatter upon your face the dung of your solemnities. [Mal. 2: 3]
Her priests have defiled My sanctuaries, . . . and I was profaned in the midst of them.[Ezec. 22: 26] Alas! O Lord, exclaims St. Bernard, how does it happen that some of those that hold a high place in Your Church are the first to persecute You! This is, indeed, too true, as St. Cyprian says, that a priest who celebrates Mass in the state of sin insults with his mouth and hands the very body of Christ. Another author, Peter Comestor, adds, that the priest who pronounces the words of Consecration in the state of sin spits, as it were, in the face of Jesus Christ; and when he receives the most Holy Sacrament into his unhallowed mouth he, as it were, casts the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ into the mire. But why do I say that he casts Jesus Christ into the mire? The soul of a priest in sin is worse than mire; and, as Theophilactus says, the mire is not so unworthy of receiving the Divine flesh as the heart of a sacrilegious priest. The sacrilegious priest, then, says St. Vincent Ferror, is guilty of greater impiety than if he cast the most Holy Sacrament into a sink. Such, too, is the doctrine of St. Thomas of Villanova.

POINT: There are TWO trains of thought concerning the catholic assembly. You can ask yourselves which falls in line with God's word?

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Obviously I am of the stance that a priest in Mortal sin can not consecrate the Bread and Wine. Christ is not in such a man. Nor does He aid and abet in His immorality nor does He, do anything on his behalf. And it would seem that my stance is the only, which is supported by prophets of God , it is Holy scripture supported. If you notice , the harlot's stance (which includes Protestants) has no scriptural basis. I will say then, when I was confronted by a certain harlot priest,he stood on what is man's opinion as opposed to God's. It is clear in Malachi , Isaiah, Ezekiel, and the Psalms, Christ , who is God ,rejects the offering of a priest in Mortal sin.

For Catholics I have proven, that the Priesthood must be holy, for Protestants I have shown that you too have harlot doctrines. You may not be the Mother of all harlots , that is only because you do not have as much power ,or the size of the Mother, but you too as an offshoot of her, continue the work of trying to dilute the teachings of the ORIGINAL TREE, and try to make yourselves above that which is the Holy Word.

Concerning the Greeks, they too have a harlot doctrine concerning the supper of the Lord. You didn't think I would let them escape did you? No way! It is my job to catch those little foxes which destroy the vineyard. Orthodox are not above God's correction.

The Greek Orthodox focus on the Resurrection ,(primarily ). Therefore, they use leavened bread in their service. This is not the offering. It is clear Christ is the Passover Lamb. The Bread of His supper must be unleavened bread. This is the custom of the Hebrew, and Christ's crucifixion is what is remembered not His resurrection. Hence, why the Passover bread of the Hebrews who were to be delivered from captivity in Egypt and go into exile was unleavened. Even many Protestant sects which celebrate a type of the Last Supper use leavened bread.

Unleavened represents the Crucified Lord, it represents the sacrifice for all , for the forgiveness of sins. Leaven bread would suggest the risen Lord. That is NOT the memorial supper.
1Corinthians 11:25-27
Sharing in the Lord's Supper
…25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. 27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.…
When the Pharaoh freed the Israelites, it is said that they left in such a hurry that they could not wait for bread dough to rise (leaven). In commemoration, for the duration of Passover no leavened bread is eaten, for which reason Passover is called the feast of unleavened bread in the Torah. Christ is that feast in the complete, and New Covenant.


Matthew 5:17-20 King James Version (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Walter]

The "lot of hooey' is trying to deny the city named as the harlot is any but ROME, ITALY. In John's time, it was the city that reigned over many "kings of the earth"; the Vatican didn't exist then. But it's now an integral part of Rome. And the "beast", which is both the antichrist and his empire, hasn't yet come. When it does, the Vatican will try to "ride" him, that is, control him, but it won't be able to, & he & his empire will turn on it.

Where's the Scriptural authorization for popes, cardinals, or man-made saints ????????????????????

The Church does not claim the cardinalate to be a biblical, sacramental office. The title of cardinal designates a highly ranked papal assistant and adviser directly appointed by the Pope in a consistory. We have discussed the primacy of Peter and apostolic succession ad nauseum. And, before you go there (again), the Catholic Church always has taught that a Christian can worship only God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. No creature, no matter how good or beautiful–no angel, no saint, not even the Virgin Mary–deserves adoration.

 

[Protestant]

Welcome back

Hey brother! Blessings to you and yours in the mighty name of Jesus!

 

[OfLivingWaters]

The Church does not claim the cardinalate to be a biblical, sacramental office. The title of cardinal designates a highly ranked papal assistant and adviser directly appointed by the Pope in a consistory. We have discussed the primacy of Peter and apostolic succession ad nauseum. And, before you go there (again), the Catholic Church always has taught that a Christian can worship only God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. No creature, no matter how good or beautiful–no angel, no saint, not even the Virgin Mary–deserves adoration.

ad·o·ra·tion

noun
noun: adoration; plural noun: adorations

1. 1.
   deep love and respect.
   "he gave her a look of adoration"
   synonyms: love, devotion, care, fondness, warmth, affection; More
   admiration, regard, high regard, awe, reverence, idolization, lionization, worship, hero-worship, adulation, deification
   "they regarded him with an almost breathless adoration"
   worship, worshipping, glory, glorification, glorifying, praise, praising, thanksgiving, homage, paying homage, exaltation, exalting, extolment, veneration, venerating, revering, reverence;
   rarelaudation, lauding, magnification, magnifying
   "the Mass begins our day of prayer and adoration"
2. 2.
   worship; veneration.
   "the Adoration of the Magi"synonyms: worship, glorify, praise, revere, reverence, exalt, laud, extol, esteem, venerate, pay homage.King James Version
   And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Luke 1:41-43Mary Visits Elizabeth
   …41When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42In a loud voice she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?…
   Adoration of Mary
   
   In the Catholic Church, the veneration of Mary, mother of Jesus, encompasses various Marian devotions which include prayer, pious acts, visual arts, poetry, and music devoted to the Blessed Virgin Mary. ... The term "Mariolatry" is a Protestant pejorative label for perceived excessive Catholic devotion to Mary.
   Venerated in: Catholic Church

The Orthodox Church honors and venerates the Virgin Mary as "more honourable than the Cherubim and more glorious without compare than the Seraphim …" Her name is mentioned in every service, and her intercession before the throne of God is asked. She is given the title of "Theotokos" (Greek for "Birth-giver-of-God), as well as "Mother of God". She has a definite role in Orthodox Christianity, and can in no way be considered an instrument which, once used, was laid aside and forgotten.

Question : Did the Angel show her Adoration , did Elisabeth show her adoration? And for what? Because ,the Creator showed her a special Grace, entrusting of HIMSELF to her care. The faithful show Mother Mary adoration just as the heavenly angels and Elisabeth. No where in scripture does it say , there is a limited as to how much we are to call her Blessed. Obviously she is not God. But obviously she is raised from a lowly state , to a very excellent one by the Power of the Most High.

 

[Protestant]

Part 31: The abomination of desolation.

If the Roman Catholic Church is the Mother of all abominations as described in Revelation 17, then one would expect there would be a direct connection between the Roman Catholic Church and the abomination of desolation described by both Jesus and Daniel.

The majority of biblical scholars understand Daniel 11 & 12 to be prophesying the persecutions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, detailed in 1 & 2 Maccabees.

And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate (Daniel 11:31 KJV).

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (Daniel 12:11 KJV).

Oftentimes the Jews had a difficult time remaining faithful to the Lord. Many fell away to idolatry. Others preferred death to disgrace and dishonor. Below is the testimony of 1 Maccabees 1:

“41 Moreover king Antiochus wrote to his whole kingdom, that all should be one people,

42 And every one should leave his laws: so all the heathen agreed according to the commandment of the king.

43 Yea, many also of the Israelites consented to his religion, and sacrificed unto idols, and profaned the sabbath.

44 For the king had sent letters by messengers unto Jerusalem and the cities of Juda that they should follow the strange laws of the land,

45 And forbid burnt offerings, and sacrifice, and drink offerings, in the temple; and that they should profane the sabbaths and festival days:

46 And pollute the sanctuary and holy people:

47 Set up altars, and groves, and chapels of idols, and sacrifice swine's flesh, and unclean beasts:

48 That they should also leave their children uncircumcised, and make their souls abominable with all manner of uncleanness and profanation:

49 To the end they might forget the law, and change all the ordinances.

50 And whosoever would not do according to the commandment of the king, he said, he should die” (1 Maccabees 1:41-50, Benton Septuagint Translation).

2 Maccabees 5 & 6 gives further details:

“27 But Judas Maccabeus with nine others, or thereabout, withdrew himself into the wilderness, and lived in the mountains after the manner of beasts, with his company, who fed on herbs continually, lest they should be partakers of the pollution” (2 Maccabees 5:27, Benton Translation).

“1 Not long after this the king sent an old man of Athens to compel the Jews to depart from the laws of their fathers, and not to live after the laws of God:

2 And to pollute also the temple in Jerusalem, and to call it the temple of Jupiter Olympius; and that in Garizim, of Jupiter the Defender of strangers, as they did desire that dwelt in the place.

3 The coming in of this mischief was sore and grievous to the people:

4 For the temple was filled with riot and revelling by the Gentiles, who dallied with harlots, and had to do with women within the circuit of the holy places, and besides that brought in things that were not lawful.

5 The altar also was filled with profane things, which the law forbiddeth.

6 Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.

7 And in the day of the king's birth every month they were brought by bitter constraint to eat of the sacrifices; and when the fast of Bacchus was kept, the Jews were compelled to go in procession to Bacchus, carrying ivy.

8 Moreover there went out a decree to the neighbour cities of the heathen, by the suggestion of Ptolemy, against the Jews, that they should observe the same fashions, and be partakers of their sacrifices:

9 And whoso would not conform themselves to the manners of the Gentiles should be put to death” (2 Maccabees 6: 1-9, Benton Translation).

It is without controversy the Temple of the Lord was profaned by the pagan idols of the heathen rulers. Those Jews who did not obey the decree of the king were doomed to death.

Now, after having reviewed the wealth of information contained in these dozens of posts relating to the historic treatment of the so-called New Testament ‘heretics,’ as well as the biblical grounds upon which these ‘heretics’ refused to participate in the idolatrous religious ceremonies and rituals imposed upon them by the Roman Catholic Church --- though threatened with death --- several red flags should have arisen in the mind of the unbiased reader. The parallels with Antiochus are more than coincidental.

Let us now examine Matthew 24:15:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Then let them which be in Judaea flee……. (Matthew 24:15-16 KJV).

Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry (1 Cor. 10:14 KJV).

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen (1 John 5:21 KJV).

Though most biblical scholars limit the interpretation of Jesus’ warning cited above to that of the Roman soldiers surrounding Jerusalem (cf. Luke 21:20), why should we limit the prophecy to a one-time specific occurrence 2,000 years ago when the number of those who read this prophecy span two thousand years?

‘Whoso’ is defined as ‘whoever,’ which, in turn, is defined as ‘any person who.’ Surely, the Lord’s admonition is not restricted, but is spoken to all who read the prophecy and have ears to hear.

Is it not reasonable to equate the idolatrous sacrilege of the Gentiles which profaned the Holy Place during the times of Antiochus and Titus with that of idolatry committed in the professing ‘Christian’ Church of Rome?

NEXT: The abomination of desolation in the professing ‘Christian’ Church of Rome.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

THIS ALL COMES UNDER THE DEFINITION OF ADORATION:
Romans 12:9-11
Love, Zeal, Hope, Hospitality
9Love must be sincere. Detest what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Outdo yourselves in honoring one another. 11Do not let your zeal subside; keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.…

John 13:34
A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another.

Romans 13:7
Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

Philippians 2:3
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride, but in humility consider others more important than yourselves.

1 Thessalonians 4:9
Now about brotherly love, you do not need anyone to write to you, because you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another.

Hebrews 13:1
Continue in brotherly love.

1 Peter 1:22
Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.

1 Peter 2:17
Treat everyone with high regard: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

2 Peter 1:7
and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Part 31: The abomination of desolation.

If the Roman Catholic Church is the Mother of all abominations as described in Revelation 17, then one would expect there would be a direct connection between the Roman Catholic Church and the abomination of desolation described by both Jesus and Daniel.

The majority of biblical scholars understand Daniel 11 & 12 to be prophesying the persecutions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, detailed in 1 & 2 Maccabees.

And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate (Daniel 11:31 KJV).

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (Daniel 12:11 KJV).

Oftentimes the Jews had a difficult time remaining faithful to the Lord. Many fell away to idolatry. Others preferred death to disgrace and dishonor. Below is the testimony of 1 Maccabees 1:

“41 Moreover king Antiochus wrote to his whole kingdom, that all should be one people,

42 And every one should leave his laws: so all the heathen agreed according to the commandment of the king.

43 Yea, many also of the Israelites consented to his religion, and sacrificed unto idols, and profaned the sabbath.

44 For the king had sent letters by messengers unto Jerusalem and the cities of Juda that they should follow the strange laws of the land,

45 And forbid burnt offerings, and sacrifice, and drink offerings, in the temple; and that they should profane the sabbaths and festival days:

46 And pollute the sanctuary and holy people:

47 Set up altars, and groves, and chapels of idols, and sacrifice swine's flesh, and unclean beasts:

48 That they should also leave their children uncircumcised, and make their souls abominable with all manner of uncleanness and profanation:

49 To the end they might forget the law, and change all the ordinances.

50 And whosoever would not do according to the commandment of the king, he said, he should die” (1 Maccabees 1:41-50, Benton Septuagint Translation).

2 Maccabees 5 & 6 gives further details:

“27 But Judas Maccabeus with nine others, or thereabout, withdrew himself into the wilderness, and lived in the mountains after the manner of beasts, with his company, who fed on herbs continually, lest they should be partakers of the pollution” (2 Maccabees 5:27, Benton Translation).

“1 Not long after this the king sent an old man of Athens to compel the Jews to depart from the laws of their fathers, and not to live after the laws of God:

2 And to pollute also the temple in Jerusalem, and to call it the temple of Jupiter Olympius; and that in Garizim, of Jupiter the Defender of strangers, as they did desire that dwelt in the place.

3 The coming in of this mischief was sore and grievous to the people:

4 For the temple was filled with riot and revelling by the Gentiles, who dallied with harlots, and had to do with women within the circuit of the holy places, and besides that brought in things that were not lawful.

5 The altar also was filled with profane things, which the law forbiddeth.

6 Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.

7 And in the day of the king's birth every month they were brought by bitter constraint to eat of the sacrifices; and when the fast of Bacchus was kept, the Jews were compelled to go in procession to Bacchus, carrying ivy.

8 Moreover there went out a decree to the neighbour cities of the heathen, by the suggestion of Ptolemy, against the Jews, that they should observe the same fashions, and be partakers of their sacrifices:

9 And whoso would not conform themselves to the manners of the Gentiles should be put to death” (2 Maccabees 6: 1-9, Benton Translation).

It is without controversy the Temple of the Lord was profaned by the pagan idols of the heathen rulers. Those Jews who did not obey the decree of the king were doomed to death.

Now, after having reviewed the wealth of information contained in these dozens of posts relating to the historic treatment of the so-called New Testament ‘heretics,’ as well as the biblical grounds upon which these ‘heretics’ refused to participate in the idolatrous religious ceremonies and rituals imposed upon them by the Roman Catholic Church --- though threatened with death --- several red flags should have arisen in the mind of the unbiased reader. The parallels with Antiochus are more than coincidental.

Let us now examine Matthew 24:15:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Then let them which be in Judaea flee……. (Matthew 24:15-16 KJV).

Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry (1 Cor. 10:14 KJV).

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen (1 John 5:21 KJV).

Though most biblical scholars limit the interpretation of Jesus’ warning cited above to that of the Roman soldiers surrounding Jerusalem (cf. Luke 21:20), why should we limit the prophecy to a one-time specific occurrence 2,000 years ago when the number of those who read this prophecy span two thousand years?

‘Whoso’ is defined as ‘whoever,’ which, in turn, is defined as ‘any person who.’ Surely, the Lord’s admonition is not restricted, but is spoken to all who read the prophecy and have ears to hear.

Is it not reasonable to equate the idolatrous sacrilege of the Gentiles which profaned the Holy Place during the times of Antiochus and Titus with that of idolatry committed in the professing ‘Christian’ Church of Rome?

NEXT: The abomination of desolation in the professing ‘Christian’ Church of Rome.

What does that make you? She is related to the Abominations because she 1. brought you about. 2. supports the Edom Jew and its sacrifices which are an abomination before God that are offered at the foot of the Abomination ,the Dome of the Rock and "Temple Mount", she hob nobs with Islam, and 3.has taken in all the religions with her preaching now a days of choosing "Love " and unity with all other religions. So your point?

None of this makes any difference to what you clearly are (her offspring in harlotry) against the Word with your blasphemous doctrines, especially against the mother of Christ . The cliche- like mother like daughter definitely applies. Idols, you too have , Let's also add hypocrite ,except they are of your Protestant fathers. An Idol is anything put above God that is outside of God.You also idolize their false doctrines.

Like mother like daughter.