37818
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If you were to give an explanation of God's Covenant to a neighbor what would you explain to that person?
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If you were to give an explanation of God's Covenant to a neighbor what would you explain to that person?
OfLivingWaters
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Well, that is not as easy as one would think. I would first, since many of my neighbors are atheist, establish the existence of God.
All else follows. I dare say, I am surround by many who are fools.
Psalm 14:
The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt; their acts are vile.There is no one who does good.
If one does not believe in God then all efforts at explaining His Covenant are futile. My question to you is, how would you establish FIRST, the existence of God?
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37818
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Well, why would one need to establish existence? I know you said, "establish the existence of God." In that approach existence is presumed, and God becomes subordinate to an uncaused existence. Which is what and who God is to start with. And as Christians, we already know God. (John 17:3; 1 John 4:7; Acts of the Apostles 17:28; Exodus 3:14; Proverbs 21:30; John 8:24) Atheists actually in denying God are denying God is God. (Uncaused Existence is uncaused existence)
Yes. That is not really an hominem. Atheists really think they are rational. But it is really irrational to deny Uncaused Existence. Which is God's fundamental identity. And the meaning behind God's Hebrew Name.
OfLivingWaters
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No, to establish in ones mind the (existence), does not make God subordinate. It makes it possible to lead another to being subordinate to Christ, who is God revealed. Of course God is , and as He said ;"I Am, that I Am".
You asked how one explains to His neighbor , the covenant of God. I am simply saying it, is not always as easy as just explaining the covenant. Not all believe, and in my case I deal with a lot of atheist. Are you asking me to explain the Covenant of God to you?
First: What is a Covenant- a covenant is agreement. This agreement is with God, a contract in which stipulates- follow all that Christ says.One is within the Covenant when he or she does not BREAK ONE stipulation and or teach others to do the same.those who do, it is to break the contract. That Contract is the ENTIRE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ. In which not one jot, not a single stroke of the pen is lost. The prophets are upheld, the covenant promise is upheld and fulfilled that was made to Abraham . And those established in Christ as honorable are to be held as such. Since, all is revealed and has come to fruition of knowledge for all who follow after , has come by them. To the first to know, that we may know they are over us (IN HEAVEN) and have labored for us all (MARY) all within that Covenant must be honored, if one is to truly be a follower of Christ, and adopted son's and daughters.
What is taught by denominations must be within that covenant.When you enter that covenant you enter into the Holy of Holies (CHRIST). Now what is in the Holy of Holies? Once you enter into Christ, Christ enters into you. It is perpetual and eternal, and transcends. You are within the Holy of Holies and the Holy of Holies is within you. So forth and so on, continual momentum.
37818
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In a sense. What would you explain? I know we have a different understandind of it.
". . . For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: . . ." -- Hebrews 9:24, and, ". . . one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, . . . " -- 1 Timothy 2:5-6. A fulfillment of ". . . because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. . . ." -- Isaiah 53:12.
That I understand to be yet future, ". . . waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ." -- Romans 8:23.
Please continue, with what you would explain.
OfLivingWaters
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The adoption begins in present time within, on earth. Clearly Romans 8:23 does not contradict Ephesians but what is clear to me is you put scripture against scripture because you have no idea what adoption means. That is not yet future, it is called present, Romans is about the resurrected body, and some have already had that happen to them.
As for Romans 8:23 which is not the sum of the entirety of Romans as I said , does not contradict Ephesians your understanding does. That is why we are NOT to interpret scripture unaided by the Holy Spirit. Clearly you are not in that and He is not within you just based upon what you said. It is called architectonics , a building in design already perceived in mind which begins in spirit and those plans are putting forth FIRST the end of the matter, as the beginning of it is being formed in actual time.
Ephesians 1: 4-6
Spiritual Blessings
…4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.… FREELY GIVEN US, NOT FUTURE ,PRESENT.
37818 said:
That I understand to be yet future, ". . . waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ." -- Romans 8:23.
I am not going to get into a long drawn out Protestant two step, of dividing scripture against scripture. You have no clue of the totality of the WORD, if we are NOT on the same page then you are not on the TRUE page. The members are of one mind, One Covenant, which is entered HERE and NOW , to its end. I live in the present the Kingdom of heaven is within , right here right now. You keep chasing the dragon. I will sit be still and know that Christ's promises are for now, and for after. Good day.
As for Romans 8:23 which is not the sum of the entirety of Romans as I said , does not contradict Ephesians your understanding does. That is why we are NOT to interpret scripture unaided by the Holy Spirit. Clearly you are not in that and He is not within you just based upon what you said. It is called architectonics , a building in design already perceived in mind which begins in spirit and those plans are putting forth FIRST the end of the matter, as the beginning of it is being formed in actual time.
Ephesians 1: 4-6
Spiritual Blessings
…4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.… FREELY GIVEN US, NOT FUTURE ,PRESENT.
37818 said:
That I understand to be yet future, ". . . waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ." -- Romans 8:23.
I am not going to get into a long drawn out Protestant two step, of dividing scripture against scripture. You have no clue of the totality of the WORD, if we are NOT on the same page then you are not on the TRUE page. The members are of one mind, One Covenant, which is entered HERE and NOW , to its end. I live in the present the Kingdom of heaven is within , right here right now. You keep chasing the dragon. I will sit be still and know that Christ's promises are for now, and for after. Good day.
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OfLivingWaters
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To wit the redemption of our body ... Already began and continues to the last. It is a process of growth to which its end is for the perishable to put on the imperishable and the mortal to put on immortality. This happened with the Mother of Christ in a twinkling of an eye . It will happen to certain of the Elect at the last Trumpet (Tekiah Gedolah) at the END OF THE TRIBULATION in the same manner.
Protestant
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Part 33: Image of the Beast
Adam was made in the holy image and likeness of the Lord (Genesis 1:26-27).
Through Adam’s willful disobedience, all mankind inherited Adam’s sinful image and likeness (Genesis 5:3; Romans 5:12).
However, due to Christ’s gracious, efficacious substitutionary atonement, God’s elect are predestined to be conformed back into the holy image of God in Christ (Romans 8:29).
Such as these are known as Christians, having taken the name of Christ upon themselves.
In stark contrast to this, the Apostle John (Revelation 13) warns there will be those who demand conformity with the Beast’s decrees.
The obedient will take his name, his mark and do his bidding.
They will make and worship images as he decreed, in overt defiance of the decree of God (Exodus 20:4-5).
Papal Decree Commanding Images & Their ‘Veneration’
“[W]e decree with full precision and care that, like the figure of the honoured and life-giving cross, the revered and holy images, whether painted or made of mosaic or of other suitable material, are to be exposed in the holy churches of God, on sacred instruments and vestments, on walls and panels, in houses and by public ways, these are the images of our Lord, God and saviour, Jesus Christ, and of our Lady without blemish, the holy God-bearer, and of the revered angels and of any of the saintly holy men…..and to pay these images the tribute of salutation and respectful veneration.” [Source]
The centerpiece of Catholicism is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
It is by this ritual that the clergy, be it priest, bishop or Pope, allege the power to change imageless bread into the image of their god, whom they call ‘Christ.’ It is to this god they may worship in full adoration, called ‘latria.’
And because they claim their god to be the very ‘Christ’ who is the Son of God and who is Life itself (John 14:6), they, in effect, allege to ‘give life’ unto this breaded image, thereby fulfilling Revelation 13:15.
The true Christ, on the other hand, is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature. Thus, Scripture designates this breaded image to be not that of Christ, but of the Beast.
Question: Since those who are made into the image of Christ, who worship Christ in Spirit and truth, are called Christians, what is the name given those who wonder after the Beast, worshipping his image?
NEXT: The image of the Beast speaks.
Adam was made in the holy image and likeness of the Lord (Genesis 1:26-27).
Through Adam’s willful disobedience, all mankind inherited Adam’s sinful image and likeness (Genesis 5:3; Romans 5:12).
However, due to Christ’s gracious, efficacious substitutionary atonement, God’s elect are predestined to be conformed back into the holy image of God in Christ (Romans 8:29).
Such as these are known as Christians, having taken the name of Christ upon themselves.
In stark contrast to this, the Apostle John (Revelation 13) warns there will be those who demand conformity with the Beast’s decrees.
The obedient will take his name, his mark and do his bidding.
They will make and worship images as he decreed, in overt defiance of the decree of God (Exodus 20:4-5).
Papal Decree Commanding Images & Their ‘Veneration’
“[W]e decree with full precision and care that, like the figure of the honoured and life-giving cross, the revered and holy images, whether painted or made of mosaic or of other suitable material, are to be exposed in the holy churches of God, on sacred instruments and vestments, on walls and panels, in houses and by public ways, these are the images of our Lord, God and saviour, Jesus Christ, and of our Lady without blemish, the holy God-bearer, and of the revered angels and of any of the saintly holy men…..and to pay these images the tribute of salutation and respectful veneration.” [Source]
The centerpiece of Catholicism is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
It is by this ritual that the clergy, be it priest, bishop or Pope, allege the power to change imageless bread into the image of their god, whom they call ‘Christ.’ It is to this god they may worship in full adoration, called ‘latria.’
And because they claim their god to be the very ‘Christ’ who is the Son of God and who is Life itself (John 14:6), they, in effect, allege to ‘give life’ unto this breaded image, thereby fulfilling Revelation 13:15.
The true Christ, on the other hand, is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature. Thus, Scripture designates this breaded image to be not that of Christ, but of the Beast.
Question: Since those who are made into the image of Christ, who worship Christ in Spirit and truth, are called Christians, what is the name given those who wonder after the Beast, worshipping his image?
NEXT: The image of the Beast speaks.
OfLivingWaters
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News Flash, HELLO, the whore on the back of THE BEAST obviously does not design the MARK OF THE BEAST. It is a Mark which comes from the Beast system DUH! BEAST system- Mark of the Beast, WAKE UP! Remember The BEAST WILL HATE THE WHORE and will be allowed to do to her what they will. Granted,the Mark of the Beast will be supported by certain men who call themselves Christian but it comes form the BEAST SYSTEM GOVERNMENT, that is who the WHORE hob nobs with -GOVERNMENT, that is who she FORNICATES with. She the Mother of all harlots, does not mean there are not others too who are harlots. SIMPLY SHE IS THE BIGGEST ONE .They may not be the biggest or most powerful of denominations , but you know that not only the Catholic hierarchy only fornicates with governments. But the most influential is used like any whore is.
The Beast system and the Mark will be even after Rome falls. It will not conclude until the second coming of Christ. There will be a pause or a shortening of the days of the tribulation on account of the Elect, but that is intermittent until the the last and final battle of Armageddon. The 70 years allotted to Israel = (70 weeks), for Israel to seal up prophecy= stop the bad things of prophecy by setting up the Messiah as Lord over Israel has not happened.Therefore, The remaining 62 weeks will be the unfolding of the War of Gog and Magog and all this peace stuff
they are talking about in the Trump administration and Israel . From the time of the first Trumpet (during the Trump administration) sounds, desolation is decreed to the end.
The sacrifice that will be abolished in Israel is not the sacrifice of the abomination of desolation , performed by the synagogue of satan. satan does not cast out satan. If satan's kingdom be divided against itself it will not stand . The FINAL Sacrifice that will be abolished is the daily one KNOWN AS THE LAST SUPPER ,the celebration of the Thanksgiving ,the celebration of the EUCHARIST.
Daniel 12:10-12
Michael's Deliverance and the End Times
…10Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand. 11And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.…
You have NO CLUE what you just said. You too are part of the Beast System The "Protestant" . You have the same spirit which governed jezebel and sought to rule Israel. Your denomination houses the prophetess jezebel.
"Protestant" said:The centerpiece of Catholicism is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
It is by this ritual that the clergy, be it priest, bishop or Pope, allege the power to change imageless bread into the image of their god, whom they call ‘Christ.’ It is to this god they may worship in full adoration, called ‘latria.’
1 Corinthians 11:
23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: that the Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you;a do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
Paul passed it down as well as all the other apostles.That is right the Faith and True of Catholics will preserve the Last Supper!
The Beast system and the Mark will be even after Rome falls. It will not conclude until the second coming of Christ. There will be a pause or a shortening of the days of the tribulation on account of the Elect, but that is intermittent until the the last and final battle of Armageddon. The 70 years allotted to Israel = (70 weeks), for Israel to seal up prophecy= stop the bad things of prophecy by setting up the Messiah as Lord over Israel has not happened.Therefore, The remaining 62 weeks will be the unfolding of the War of Gog and Magog and all this peace stuff
they are talking about in the Trump administration and Israel . From the time of the first Trumpet (during the Trump administration) sounds, desolation is decreed to the end.The sacrifice that will be abolished in Israel is not the sacrifice of the abomination of desolation , performed by the synagogue of satan. satan does not cast out satan. If satan's kingdom be divided against itself it will not stand . The FINAL Sacrifice that will be abolished is the daily one KNOWN AS THE LAST SUPPER ,the celebration of the Thanksgiving ,the celebration of the EUCHARIST.
Daniel 12:10-12
Michael's Deliverance and the End Times
…10Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand. 11And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.…
You have NO CLUE what you just said. You too are part of the Beast System The "Protestant" . You have the same spirit which governed jezebel and sought to rule Israel. Your denomination houses the prophetess jezebel.
"Protestant" said:The centerpiece of Catholicism is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
It is by this ritual that the clergy, be it priest, bishop or Pope, allege the power to change imageless bread into the image of their god, whom they call ‘Christ.’ It is to this god they may worship in full adoration, called ‘latria.’
1 Corinthians 11:
23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: that the Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you;a do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
Paul passed it down as well as all the other apostles.That is right the Faith and True of Catholics will preserve the Last Supper!
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OfLivingWaters
Active Member
Passed down to all from the first ,is the authority in the Holy Spirit to do the consecration. There are only a few who have been faithful enough to receive increase of His spirit and gain more Wisdom.
37818
Well-Known Member
Seriously? That Greek term is only used by the Apostle Paul in his writings in the NT. And literally means to be placed as a son [or by interpretation a daughter].
The Greek υἱοθεσία, to place as a son.
". . . For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. . . ." -- Romans 8:15.
". . . And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ." -- Romans 8:23.
The Apostle John writes of this in this way, ". . . now are we the sons of God, . . ." And then writes, ". . . it doth not yet appear what we shall be: . . ." Stating the future promise, ". . . when he shall appear, we shall be like him; . . ." -- 1 John 3:2. Or as Paul wrote, ". . . shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, . . ." -- Philippians 3:21.
". . . Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; . . ." -- Romans 9:4.
". . . To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. . . ." -- Galatians 4:5.
". . . Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, . . ." -- Ephesians 1:5.
My understanding of it is a minority view point. But it is how I have come to understand the term according to Scripture.
37818
Well-Known Member
What comes to mind regarding the predestination, in Ephesians 1:5, ". . . Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children . . . ," is Romans 8:29, ". . . did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, . . ."
This is has become my understanding of what the adoption means (Romans 8:23; 1 John 3:2). Again, this is minority interpretation based on what the Scripture clearly teaches.
37818
Well-Known Member
Ok, but where does "This happened with the Mother of Christ in a twinkling of an eye" come from? And what has that to do with understanding the Covenant of God?
OfLivingWaters
Active Member
Seriously 37818, you are just for the diluting of the gospel of Christ, nothing more and nothing less. You can take a scripture verse from here and there, ignore the full context of the letters, and make whatever you want to glean from any scripture what you want.
Discussion without full context is just pretext. What you say make no sense, but I argue that is what the spirit within you wants to convey. Not one thing you say makes any difference to the fact that the Elect are part of the New Covenant. We are baptized into that and all the tenets of Christ's doctrine must be observed. Without that , there is no future in Christ period and the future is dependent upon ones present faith in Christ PERIOD!
We do not say we have already obtained the crown at present, but without looking back we press forward to that which is ahead.
Just as the First Church did and did obtain that crown . We , today's disciples are built upon what they laid. We press forward, accomplishing each step of the way, those things in which Christ took hold of us for. We run our race in a architectonic manner, already seeing our end goal. We have that pattern in mind, by the designer. As long as we live according to the builder's plans we will succeed in obtaining the Designer's goal.
You keep on tearing down, while Christ keeps building up. You serve your father who has been the liar and destroyer from the beginning. You practice what is evident within you, a broken down foundation, with its house inhabited with unpleasant guest.
Hebrews 8:8-10
The New Covenant
…8But God found fault with the people and said: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 9It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they did not abide by My covenant, and I disregarded them, declares the Lord. 10For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.…
This not only happened to Mother Mary at her yes to the WILL of God spoken to her at the Annunciation , she also had the Word Incarnate Himself of her flesh. This is the Architect's plan which is written upon the MIND, and HEART, and He therefore, is the LIGHT in the Soul. Christ is the Light of the world. And we shall be like Him.
You do according to the deconstruct plan of the father of lies, and I will do according to the Builder's plan.
The Living Stone and Chosen People
1 Peter 2:1-
1Rid yourselves, therefore, of all malice, deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander. 2Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 3now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
4As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight, 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone,
a chosen and precious cornerstone;
and the one who believes in Him
will never be put to shame.”
7To you who believe, then, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
8and,
“A stone of stumbling
and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word—and to this they were appointed.
9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. 10Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
11Beloved, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from the desires of the flesh, which war against your soul. 12Conduct yourselves with such honor among the Gentiles that, though they slander you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day He visits us.
Discussion without full context is just pretext. What you say make no sense, but I argue that is what the spirit within you wants to convey. Not one thing you say makes any difference to the fact that the Elect are part of the New Covenant. We are baptized into that and all the tenets of Christ's doctrine must be observed. Without that , there is no future in Christ period and the future is dependent upon ones present faith in Christ PERIOD!
We do not say we have already obtained the crown at present, but without looking back we press forward to that which is ahead.
Just as the First Church did and did obtain that crown . We , today's disciples are built upon what they laid. We press forward, accomplishing each step of the way, those things in which Christ took hold of us for. We run our race in a architectonic manner, already seeing our end goal. We have that pattern in mind, by the designer. As long as we live according to the builder's plans we will succeed in obtaining the Designer's goal.
You keep on tearing down, while Christ keeps building up. You serve your father who has been the liar and destroyer from the beginning. You practice what is evident within you, a broken down foundation, with its house inhabited with unpleasant guest.
Hebrews 8:8-10
The New Covenant
…8But God found fault with the people and said: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 9It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they did not abide by My covenant, and I disregarded them, declares the Lord. 10For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.…
This not only happened to Mother Mary at her yes to the WILL of God spoken to her at the Annunciation , she also had the Word Incarnate Himself of her flesh. This is the Architect's plan which is written upon the MIND, and HEART, and He therefore, is the LIGHT in the Soul. Christ is the Light of the world. And we shall be like Him.
You do according to the deconstruct plan of the father of lies, and I will do according to the Builder's plan.
The Living Stone and Chosen People
1 Peter 2:1-
1Rid yourselves, therefore, of all malice, deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander. 2Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 3now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
4As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight, 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone,
a chosen and precious cornerstone;
and the one who believes in Him
will never be put to shame.”
7To you who believe, then, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
8and,
“A stone of stumbling
and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word—and to this they were appointed.
9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. 10Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
11Beloved, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from the desires of the flesh, which war against your soul. 12Conduct yourselves with such honor among the Gentiles that, though they slander you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day He visits us.
OfLivingWaters
Active Member
First, in Mother Mary the Covenant promise made to Abraham is fulfilled. She ,brought up under the OC ( that she was obedient to) ,was brought into the New Covenant By Christ (God). Therefore, all is united in her . This is represented by the REV. 12 sign, the Woman clothed in the Sun (NEW AND BETTER COVENANT) and the Moon (LESSER COVENANT) under her feet.
At Christ's ascension He took up with Him the Ark of His strength. That means made by His hand,His strength is the Greater Covenant, and the Ark of that covenant is the Greater Ark. For that which is obsolete , is fading and soon will disappear.
Hebrews 8:13
The New Covenant
…12For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.” 13By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
The OC is to disappear. What is Paul saying? We know not one jot, not one letter will be lost and will be here until the END OF TIME. Christ has not come to abolish but fulfill. The things spoken in the Law and the prophets will fade because in the new heave and new earth, there will no longer be need for Law because all will be complete and there is no sin present upon the New Earth. The New heaven , no more will there be need for God to give the gift of prophecy, tongues , healing, because all will be completely healed, sinners will not exist, so no need to prophesy and all prophecy will be complete, and all will speak ONE language The language of heaven, so no more need for the obsolete gift of tongues. Therefore, even the obsolete ark of the OC is no more. That has already been consummated to the earth through decay, which happens to all wood, even if inlaid with gold.
So the ARK OF HIS STRENGTH, is the Ark of the New And Better Covenant in Psalm 132. We know that many of the Psalms are prophetic and speak of the coming Messiah.
Psalm 132:8-9
Arise, O Lord, and go to your resting place,
you and the ark of your strength.
9 Let your priests be clothed with righteousness,
and let your saints shout for joy.
An Ark is a vessel , in which to place things. We know that Christ went to His rest in HEAVEN at His ascension. So who did Christ take with Him? We know it is not the obsolete ark made of wood.
Jeremiah 31:33
33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
Who was the first of the New Covenant to have this happen? Mother Mary. Not only that ,Christ is all of which was within the OC Ark as objects, He is all of that in Living Spirit and Flesh.
Hebrews 9:4 states that the Ark contained "the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant." Revelation 11:19 says the prophet saw God's temple in heaven opened, "and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple."
Christ is the Bread which comes down from heaven:
John 6:50-52
Jesus the Bread of Life
…50This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.” 52At this, the Jews began to argue among themselves, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?”…
Christ holds the Rod of God , to Him is all authority on earth and heaven given.
MATTHEW 28:18-20 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you.
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OfLivingWaters
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HE IS THE LIVING COMMANDMENTS:
John 1:1-5
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the
beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In
Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not
overcome it.
John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begot-
ten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
To whom was all this given? Who did this all come to pass in? His Ark, it is clear she is the ARK of His
strength in Psalm 132.
His strength made it so. It happened when the Power of the Most High overshadowed Mother Mary. That power
is His strength. PERIOD! Did He arise to His rest in Heaven , YES!
This in Jeremiah proves my point that the Ark of the OC is no more. Listen to the language of it:
Jeremiah 3:
Invitation to Repentance
…15Then I will give you shepherds after My own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16In those days, when you multiply and increase in the land,” declares the LORD, “no longer will they say,
‘The ark of the LORD’s covenant.’ It will never come to mind, and no one will remember it or miss it, nor will
another one be made. 17At that time Jerusalem will be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations will
be gathered in Jerusalem to honor the name of the LORD. They will no longer follow the stubbornness of their
evil hearts.…
‘The ark of the LORD’s covenant.’
In the Psalm it is called the Ark of the Lord's strength.
’ It will never come to mind, and no one will remember it or miss it, nor will another one be made.
As you can see, it says IT WILL NEVER BE MADE AGAIN, this obviously means that which is made by hu-
man hands as the OC ark was. But the Ark of HIS STRENGTH is made by the Lord Himself. It is fact, that God
made man, from the first man , He made man from the dust of the earth, so forth and so on. He said He will
write His commands not on tablets of stone , but on our minds and the flesh heart of man. By His strength, He
made Mother Mary His Ark , in which the bread of life, the rod of God's authority (Christ) would be placed, and
Become Incarnate of her flesh ( become a MAN!) She is His New and Better Covenant Ark. I must be right ,
because Jeremiah said the one made by human hands, will not be remembered, yet Rev.11, speaks of the one in
heaven.
Rev.11:19
19Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And
there were flashes
of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.
So which ark is Jeremiah speaking of ? ANSWER obviously the OC Ark made by human hands.
Which ark is Rev. speaking of and the Psalm? ANSWER: The one of Christ strength, made of the Lord's Hands.
CONCLUSION: 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, and
for training in righteousness,
We are given the equations to everything in the Word of God. We are allowed to build upon the foundation ,
but we must be careful how we build. We can form doctrines from the equations of the scriptures. The scrip-
tures therefore , are the sum of all things built as well. For we are the stones and building of the heavenly
Jerusalem.Our doctrines make us part of that building as long as they are not hay , wood or straw.
Instead of automatically assuming the "TWO" you all condemn as having everything wrong, consider the thou-
sand plus hundreds to your 500 hundred years that they have been in existence. They have some minor things wrong (They need
tweaks), but you and your people have A LOT WRONG, concerning already formed doctrines. As for the Har-
lot, every true Christian in the catholic Church knows the hierarchy is guilty of that. That is why we are called
out, and are not to support its harlotry. But you people seek to simply destroy truth. Like the last supper, bap-
tism by water etc....You will too burn with your harlot mother, unless you repent. Then you will be given your
New Mother, Mother Mary.
Mother Mary is the Theotokos, The Ark of the New and better covenant.
John 1:1-5
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the
beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In
Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not
overcome it.
John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begot-
ten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
To whom was all this given? Who did this all come to pass in? His Ark, it is clear she is the ARK of His
strength in Psalm 132.
His strength made it so. It happened when the Power of the Most High overshadowed Mother Mary. That power
is His strength. PERIOD! Did He arise to His rest in Heaven , YES!
This in Jeremiah proves my point that the Ark of the OC is no more. Listen to the language of it:
Jeremiah 3:
Invitation to Repentance
…15Then I will give you shepherds after My own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16In those days, when you multiply and increase in the land,” declares the LORD, “no longer will they say,
‘The ark of the LORD’s covenant.’ It will never come to mind, and no one will remember it or miss it, nor will
another one be made. 17At that time Jerusalem will be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations will
be gathered in Jerusalem to honor the name of the LORD. They will no longer follow the stubbornness of their
evil hearts.…
‘The ark of the LORD’s covenant.’
In the Psalm it is called the Ark of the Lord's strength.
’ It will never come to mind, and no one will remember it or miss it, nor will another one be made.
As you can see, it says IT WILL NEVER BE MADE AGAIN, this obviously means that which is made by hu-
man hands as the OC ark was. But the Ark of HIS STRENGTH is made by the Lord Himself. It is fact, that God
made man, from the first man , He made man from the dust of the earth, so forth and so on. He said He will
write His commands not on tablets of stone , but on our minds and the flesh heart of man. By His strength, He
made Mother Mary His Ark , in which the bread of life, the rod of God's authority (Christ) would be placed, and
Become Incarnate of her flesh ( become a MAN!) She is His New and Better Covenant Ark. I must be right ,
because Jeremiah said the one made by human hands, will not be remembered, yet Rev.11, speaks of the one in
heaven.
Rev.11:19
19Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And
there were flashes
of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.
So which ark is Jeremiah speaking of ? ANSWER obviously the OC Ark made by human hands.
Which ark is Rev. speaking of and the Psalm? ANSWER: The one of Christ strength, made of the Lord's Hands.
CONCLUSION: 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, and
for training in righteousness,
We are given the equations to everything in the Word of God. We are allowed to build upon the foundation ,
but we must be careful how we build. We can form doctrines from the equations of the scriptures. The scrip-
tures therefore , are the sum of all things built as well. For we are the stones and building of the heavenly
Jerusalem.Our doctrines make us part of that building as long as they are not hay , wood or straw.
Instead of automatically assuming the "TWO" you all condemn as having everything wrong, consider the thou-
sand plus hundreds to your 500 hundred years that they have been in existence. They have some minor things wrong (They need
tweaks), but you and your people have A LOT WRONG, concerning already formed doctrines. As for the Har-
lot, every true Christian in the catholic Church knows the hierarchy is guilty of that. That is why we are called
out, and are not to support its harlotry. But you people seek to simply destroy truth. Like the last supper, bap-
tism by water etc....You will too burn with your harlot mother, unless you repent. Then you will be given your
New Mother, Mother Mary.
Mother Mary is the Theotokos, The Ark of the New and better covenant.
37818
Well-Known Member
Ok. I believe in what is called the "simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3). So what in the gospel of Christ did I dilute? Please cite what I said to do this.
Ok. Pick one key example of this.
OfLivingWaters
Active Member
Here we go round the mulberry bush , the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, ALL , EVERYTHING YOU POST IS A DILUTING OF THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD! KEY.........EVERYTHING YOU WRITE!
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37818
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Where is that from the word of God?
Interpretation and without Biblical justification, reference. The woman is identified with the two prophets, Revelation 12:6; here: Revelation 11:3.
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