Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Look at the 5th post on the 18th page.
I have bolded part of 2 Peter 3:10.
The "Day of the Lord" there is the 1,000 year period
in which the physical Lord rules the physical earth
on a physical throne of a physical David in physical
Jerusalem. But you probably can't see it. You don't
need to have Revelation 20 make physical sense so you
don't need to make 2 Peter 3:10 make physcial sense.
You, Sir, are spiritualizing away the whole HOPE of the
pretribulation Rapture.
EE
When the apostle Paul was defending himself before the Roman governor Festus by preaching the Gospel
Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.[Acts 26:24] The best I can say about you is that you are
confused.
Please read 2 Peter 3:10 and point out to me where 1000 years is mentioned. I will quote it here so you can highlight it in your response.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
You seem to be saying, I am really not sure, that the
Day of the Lord represents 1000 years. However the rest of the passage states that in the
Day of the Lord, ... in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up Please tell me, if the earth is to be destroyed in the
Day of the Lord where are all those nice folks who survive the GRRReat Tribulation and all the resurrected Saints going to live. Also, where is David's throne going to be. I just can't seem to figure it out, Please help me.
Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
OldRegular: "Incidently I thought that Jesus Christ used parables to teach truth using an allegory."
True. But you cannot get stuff out of the allergory that
Jesus didn't put in there.
EE
Let me post that parable again. I believe it went something like this:
Matthew 12:22-30 [KJV, 1769]
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Let us examine this [parable?].
1. Jesus healed one possessed with a devil who was both blind, and dumb.
2. All the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
3. But them mean old Pharisees heard it they accused Jesus Christ of casting out devils through Satan or in the power of Satan.
4. Jesus Christ tries to reason with them by pointing out that if Satan casts out demons, who I believe are the servants of Satan, then he is fighting against himself.
5. Jesus Christ then tells these mean old Pharisees:
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
6. Of course these mean old Pharisees don't believe Him.
7. But Jesus Christ is patient and tries to reason further with them, those mean old Pharisees, and [I suppose this is where the parable comes in.] uses an analogy of someone breaking into your house.
8. Jesus Christ questions:
how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man?
Now I assume that the strong man represents Satan and Jesus Christ binds Satan. Isn't that the message here? Also I believe that in an earlier post in response to your request I gave some more Scripture showing that Jesus Christ defeated Satan at his First Coming. For clarity's sake I will post a couple of them again, my favorites:
John 12:30, 31 [KJV, 1769]
30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Hebrews 2:14, 15 [KJV, 1769]
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
I threw in verse 15 to show that those who had been in bondage to Satan could now be delivered.
Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
For example: In the parable of the tares and the wheat,
found in Matthew 13:24-31, the mention of the
judgemetn of the tares preceedes the mention of the harvest
of the wheat. In fact, a non-parable passage:
Revelation 20:5 says that the the just are judged first
and the evil are judged after a physical 1,000 years
of Christ's ruling on earth. Sorry, fellow but
when you sacrificed Revelation 20:5 on the altar of
mysticism, you misunderstood this Revelation 13 parable.
EE
I am so glad you mentioned the parable of the tares and the wheat. What does it tell us, let us read it.
Matthew 13:24-30 [KJV, 1769]
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
I won't bore you by discussing the entire parable but just ask one question, how many harvests were there? Please note verse 30:
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
EE, there was only one harvest, I say again, only one harvest, one general resurrection and one general judgment!
Now you state:
Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
In fact, a non-parable passage:
Revelation 20:5 says that the the just are judged first
and the evil are judged after a physical 1,000 years
of Christ's ruling on earth. Sorry, fellow but
when you sacrificed Revelation 20:5 on the altar of
mysticism, you misunderstood this Revelation 13 parable.
How does Reveletion 20:5 read?
Revelation 20:5 [KJV, 1769]
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
I had my eyes checked last week, I will give you the ophthamologist's name if you desire, and my vision was ok. For the life of me I can't see anything about judgment in the above passage, Revelation 20:5.
Now I am still trying to understand what you mean by the statement "when you sacrificed Revelation 20:5 on the altar of mysticism, you misunderstood this Revelation 13 parable."
First, what is the altar of mysticism? Second, how did that parable in Revelation 13 get in here? I need some more info before I can respond on that one.