A Pastoral Letter to White Americans

[Inspector Javert]

It does when irrefutable argument is better...
It absolutely does...[/qupote]

I said experience will not back down to argument. I did not say that beliefs will not back down to argument. Experience and belief, there is quite a difference.

Pentecostalism is built almost entirely upon experience.....

Like ENTIRELY...

That's why I said that, I took it as a given that most would understand that.

 

[Zaac]

It shows that I don't automatically side with the white guy. It shows that I let reason prevail, instead of emotion.

I never said that YOU did. And a lot of time reason needs to take a back seat with emotion so that we don't deal from a bias. What's reasonable from your perspective may not be so from someone else's experience.

Facts are facts. There's no 'version' of facts. Fact = truth.

Fact = a version of the truth based on perspective. Your fact does not have to equal somebody else's fact. i.e the view of racial prejudice and racism from police in this country.

Truth will always be the same.

Now, iI'll grant that there are some facts we don't know, and those unknown facts can skew our opinion. But it's the ignoring of facts that irks me. If the black community wants to show a "systemic execution", then they need actual wrongdoings as their banner. Ferguson is a prime example. People jumped all over it with "hands up, don't shoot" then it turns out he didn't have his hands up, and in fact assaulted the officer.

That is what it is. He was still unarmed and people will make a thousand "reasoned" replies for why the officer had to shoot him.

Are they shooting unarmed white men the same way? Again just looking at some high profile situations and it appears that cops do everything they can to not shoot the white assailants.

As a general rule, nothing that white people do gets them shot by law enforcement.

Not walking around in a big box store with semi-automatic weapons (though standing in one with an air rifle gets you killed if you’re black); not assaulting two officers, even in the St. Louis area, a mere five days after Mike Brown was killed; not pointing a loaded weapon at three officers and demanding that they—the police—”drop their f****** guns;” not committing mass murder in a movie theatre before finally being taken alive; not proceeding in the wake of that event to walk around the same town in which it happened carrying a shotgun; and not killing a cop so as to spark a “revolution,” and then leading others on a two month chase through the woods before being arrested with only a few scratches.

If one is going to try and show more than mere coincidence, they need a LOT more of these coincidental occurrences. And they need more than raw data about how many blacks are killed by police each year. A more meaningful stat would be how many are wrongfully killed each year.

Difficult to apply wrongfully killed as an FBI stat when you've got prosecutors who don't want to prosecute the officers with whom they work everyday. The system is broken and I'm surprised no one has ever mentioned that glaring conflict of interest that bypasses due process.

I tell you what, Zaac, you show me numbers that say more black deaths are wrongful in direct proportion to the percentage of crimes they commit, and I will openly issue an apology and admit there's a problem.

What would showing you numbers of wrongful deaths at he hands of police officers prove when prosecutors aren't prosecuting the police officers?

You don't have to admit there is a problem.

As I've said repeatedly, white privilege has created an epidemic sized blind spot in the eyes of a lot of white Americans. You don't have to admit that there is a problem for there to be one.

The genie is out of the bottle and the WORLD sees that there is indeed a problem.

 

[Zaac]

It does NOT never has, never will, not in any Universe is that true.
Never.

It may not be true in your Bizarro universe, but it is in this one.

They are not.
They absolutely are not.
To suggest so is either mistaken or a lie.

They are. To suggest not is a lie.
.

No one can help themselves to their own version of reality....
Reality is that which is TRUE.
Propositionally true.

Sure you can. Your comment just demonstrated that you can :laugh:

J

esus Christ, for instance is "The way, the truth, the life"......
he goes on to say:
"NO man cometh unto the father but by me."

That's called a reality check Zaac...

That would be TRUTH. For the man who doesn't know it it isn't factual or a part of his reality.

Would you affirm that a committed Buddhist's "reality" is valid...
it's "his reality"????

I'd affirm that his reality is his reality and his version of fact. That doesn't make it the truth.

Do you deny the need for acceptance of Christ alone?

Do you?

If you do, you are an infidel...

Man go on somewhere...you're a waste of typing.

Next.

 

[Zaac]

The idea that there is a systematic killing of black by police officers is nothing but delusional.

So says part of the problem.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Pentecostalism is built almost entirely upon experience.....

Like ENTIRELY...

That's why I said that, I took it as a given that most would understand that.

No it is experience interpreted to fit their belief. A very different thing.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Originally Posted by Revmitchell View Post
The idea that there is a systematic killing of black by police officers is nothing but delusional.

Delusional to you and your refusing to consider their point of view is part of the problem. I do not mean you have to agree with them, but you refuse to even try to see the situations from their point of view.

That is a huge part of the problem, neither side will sit and listen and talk with the other. Just shout and accuse.

 

[Revmitchell]

Delusional to you and your refusing to consider their point of view is part of the problem. I do not mean you have to agree with them, but you refuse to even try to see the situations from their point of view.

That is a huge part of the problem, neither side will sit and listen and talk with the other. Just shout and accuse.

There is no other view point. The accusation against the police is a myth created by the far left to stir people up and create problems to further a political agenda. Its not real and I do not believe you think it is. I believe you know it is not and are just willing to push the lie for the same reason.

 

[Zaac]

Delusional to you and your refusing to consider their point of view is part of the problem. I do not mean you have to agree with them, but you refuse to even try to see the situations from their point of view.

That is a huge part of the problem, neither side will sit and listen and talk with the other. Just shout and accuse.

:applause: :applause:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Delusional to you and your refusing to consider their point of view is part of the problem. I do not mean you have to agree with them, but you refuse to even try to see the situations from their point of view.

That is a huge part of the problem, neither side will sit and listen and talk with the other. Just shout and accuse.

Well I'll be.

Do you really think this ? If so, is the O/P an example of the sit down and talk, or shout and accuse ?

 

[Zaac]

Well I'll be.

Do you really think this ? If so, is the O/P an example of the sit down and talk, or shout and accuse ?

The guy probably wrote the letter because he realizes that the average person like you wouldn't be quiet long enough to listen.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Well I'll be.

Do you really think this ? If so, is the O/P an example of the sit down and talk, or shout and accuse ?

As a matter of face, if you read carefully, you will see this is one thing the author of the article/letter is saying

Quote: " Loving our neighbors means identifying with their suffering, meeting them in it, and working together to change it."

As scripture says, "Come let us reason together." Isiah 1:18

And Jesus said, " first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Matthew 7:5

 

[Bro. Curtis]

As a matter of face, if you read carefully, you will see this is one thing the author of the article/letter is saying

Quote: " Loving our neighbors means identifying with their suffering, meeting them in it, and working together to change it."

As scripture says, "Come let us reason together." Isiah 1:18

Sorry, but a one sided conversation about how white people can get over their inherent racism isn't reasoning together.

And Jesus said, " first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Matthew 7:5

Plank in my eye ?

Like I said, you cannot reason with hatred.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Perhaps it is the O/P author, and a few others who need absolution for THEIR sin of racism. I feel sorry for them if they think another human could grant it.

 

[Zaac]

As a matter of face, if you read carefully, you will see this is one thing the author of the article/letter is saying

Quote: " Loving our neighbors means identifying with their suffering, meeting them in it, and working together to change it."

As scripture says, "Come let us reason together." Isiah 1:18

And Jesus said, " first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Matthew 7:5

:applause::applause:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

In fact, the article is blasphemous to the work of Christ on the cross, saying Christ's blood could not cover the sin of racism, and the Holy Spirit can't convict the same. But the O/Per has added to scripture, before.

Perhaps this should be on a Catholic board ? Absolution granted by humans ? Shame on that.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Like I said, you cannot reason with hatred.

I agree and I guess that is why there is so little rational discussion on this BB and such avoidance of facing self.

Do you agree with Isaiah and Jesus?

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[Bro. Curtis]

I agree and I guess that is why there is so little rational discussion on this BB and such avoidance of facing self.

You got some questions waiting, in your "Indians were nice to each other" thread. I guess you can't see them because of the plank in your eye ?


Kindly address post #55 for me. Thanx, in advance.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You got some questions waiting, in your "Indians were nice to each other" thread. I guess you can't see them because of the plank in your eye ?


Kindly address post #55 for me. Thanx, in advance.

Guess you did not read my reply. Your question were totally off the topic and I won't go running down that rabbit trail. If you want to talk about Indians and their wars start a new thread. On the one you mention, speak to the topic please, that being perception others.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You claimed Indians were nice to each other. Thats baloney. My question was not off topic.

Back to the hatred on this thread from you and zaac. So you won't say the Holy Spirit is enough to convict, and the Blood of Christ is enough to forgive ? The only way to forgiveness is to listen to the viewpoint of another race ? Thats what the article claims. Quite on-topic.


Answer it. Its even rational.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I think its time to ask for a statement of faith from Crabtownboy and zaac. My question seems like an easy one for a child of God to answer.