A Pastoral Letter to White Americans

[Zaac]

The CDC's statistic on "homicide by legal intervention" meaning killing by anyone authorized to use deadly force while on duty states that in the years 1999-2011,

2,151 whites were killed by police
1,130 blacks were killed by police

So all 3000+ obviously did something that the police thought warranted a deadly response. And dealing with Annsi's presented numbers and just those numbers as the whole for the population

Those representing 13% of the population account for approximately 34.5% of those killed.
Those representing about 73% of the population account for
65.5% of those killed.

Prima facie evidence quickly says there is a racial discrimination problem in the killing of people of different races by police.

And anyone who can't see this needs to be quiet in perpetuity about abortion in the black communities.

 

[righteousdude2]

So all 3000+ obviously did something that the police thought warranted a deadly response. And dealing with Annsi's presented numbers and just those numbers as the whole for the population

Those representing 13% of the population account for approximately 34.5% of those killed.
Those representing about 73% of the population account for
65.5% of those killed.

Prima facie evidence quickly says there is a racial discrimination problem in the killing of people of different races by police.

And anyone who can't see this needs to be quiet in perpetuity about abortion in the black communities.

You sir ... are a racist who loves stirring things up. Making mountains of mole hills, while you ramble and spew narratives filled with hateful accusations is your gift, and I do not see this as being a fruit or gift of the Spirit, so explain to all of us biased/racist good old boys on the board how you rationalize your witness and relationship with Jesus when you bow your head in prayer.

 

[Revmitchell]

You sir ... are a racist who loves stirring things up. Making mountains of mole hills, while you ramble and spew narratives filled with hateful accusations is your gift, and I do not see this as being a fruit or gift of the Spirit, so explain to all of us biased/racist good old boys on the board how you rationalize your witness and relationship with Jesus when you bow your head in prayer.

He is an extremist and a racist.

 

[Scarlett O.]

So all 3000+ obviously did something that the police thought warranted a deadly response. And dealing with Annsi's presented numbers and just those numbers as the whole for the population

Those representing 13% of the population account for approximately 34.5% of those killed.
Those representing about 73% of the population account for
65.5% of those killed.

Prima facie evidence quickly says there is a racial discrimination problem in the killing of people of different races by police.

And anyone who can't see this needs to be quiet in perpetuity about abortion in the black communities.

You can't take Ann's numbers and crunch out percentages for the nation as a whole. These deaths, black and white are not spread uniformly across the nation as a whole.

People who live in Calhoun, Louisiana or Tallulah, Louisiana don't have the same crime rate as Monroe, Shreveport, or New Orleans.

We don't know what cities predominately make up those deaths.

You conclusion would only fit it every city in the United states were made up of a low percentage of minorities. Some cities are overwhelmingly and predominately minority.

 

[righteousdude2]

He is an extremist and a racist.

How do the moderators permit such characters on the board. It makes a mockery out of what this board is supposed to be .... Christian? The rules are that members are not to be rude ore confrontational in a way that starts fights. This extremist does all he can do to thumb his nose at the mods and members. Disgusting!

 

[Zaac]

You can't take Ann's numbers and crunch out percentages for the nation as a whole. These deaths, black and white are not spread uniformly across the nation as a whole.

What are you talking about? The CDC numbers are for the nation as a whole so why can't I crunch out percentages for the nation as a whole from that?

People who live in Calhoun, Louisiana or Tallulah, Louisiana don't have the same crime rate and Monroe, Shreveport, or New Orleans.

Nobody said they did.

We don't know what cities predominately make up those deaths.

Making mental notes to use this when yall start talking about Blacks being more likely to murder or have abortions.

The cities are irrelevant when you're looking at the nation as a whole. And as a whole, the numbers on the face shows there is a racial discrimination problem. This isn't something within an acceptable degree of error.

We're talking 13% to 34.5%. There's a problem.

You conclusion would only fit it every city in the United states were made up of a low percentage of minorities. Some cities are overwhelmingly and predominately minority.

Making mental notes when it is expressed how much more likely Blacks are to murder than anyone else.

The conclusion fits because the numbers are for the NATION. Nobody said anything about a distribution of why the numbers are what they are.

But the distribution doesn't affect that as a NATION the numbers reflect an on the face discrimination by police officers when it comes to killing.

 

[ShagNappy]

or is this just your run of the mill pharisaical rant ?

Ah yes... I am the Pharisee for pointing out the fact you hold people to a higher standard than you hold yourself. Gotcha! :laugh: Someone needs a dictionary for Christmas. :wavey:

 

[Zaac]

You sir ... are a racist who loves stirring things up. Making mountains of mole hills, while you ramble and spew narratives filled with hateful accusations is your gift, and I do not see this as being a fruit or gift of the Spirit, so explain to all of us biased/racist good old boys on the board how you rationalize your witness and relationship with Jesus when you bow your head in prayer.

He is an extremist and a racist.

It's incredible how certain white people on this board have complained about black people declaring others to be racists. The same white people have deemed others race baiters left and right. Yet these same white people are the only ones on this board who seem to constantly refer to someone else as a racist.

Go figure.:laugh:

 

[plain_n_simple]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/


Racial gap in U.S. arrest rates: 'Staggering disparity'

 

[Zaac]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/


Racial gap in U.S. arrest rates: 'Staggering disparity'

Another excellent story plain_n_simple. Thanks for linking it.

At least 1,581 other police departments across the USA arrest black people at rates even more skewed than in Ferguson, a USA TODAY analysis of arrest records shows. That includes departments in cities as large and diverse as Chicago and San Francisco and in the suburbs that encircle St. Louis, New York and Detroit.

Those disparities are easier to measure than they are to explain. They could be a reflection of biased policing; they could just as easily be a byproduct of the vast economic and educational gaps that persist across much of the USA — factors closely tied to crime rates. In other words, experts said, the fact that such disparities exist does little to explain their causes.

"That does not mean police are discriminating. But it does mean it's worth looking at. It means you might have a problem, and you need to pay attention," said University of Pittsburgh law professor David Harris, a leading expert on racial profiling.

Which is why I said an on the face discrimination earlier and I think some folks didn't understand that that doesn't mean there's a discrimination problem, but that on the face it certainly LOOKS like it and it needs to be looked into further to see why the numbers are so skewed.

Unfortunately all the signs do point to it being just what it looks to be on the face---mass discrimination from police forces across the nation which is no surprise to black people.

Whatever the reasons, the results are the same: Blacks are far more likely to be arrested than any other racial group in the USA. In some places, dramatically so.

That needs to be reworded. Blacks are likely to be arrested at a rate of 50/50 just like everybody else. But statistically, they HAVE BEEN arrested more than any other racial group and this can be used to show an on the face racial discrimination within the system.

 

[annsni]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/


Racial gap in U.S. arrest rates: 'Staggering disparity'

To be completely honest, I wonder how much of that is due to the people group who commit more crimes. I think there are a lot of factors involved but honestly, you don't hear of shootings in my neighborhood which is mostly white but go to a few towns over that is mostly black, you will find MANY instances of shootings. That's just really a bottom line truth. I am not being racist because in reality, being black does not mean that you will commit a crime but for some reason, those areas that are predominately black (and usually poor as well) have a higher crime rate than other areas including middle class areas with larger black population. I guess it's more socio-economic but it reflects in the race issue.

 

[Zaac]

To be completely honest, I wonder how much of that is due to the people group who commit more crimes.

White people are 73% of the population. White people commit more crime. :laugh:

I think there are a lot of factors involved but honestly, you don't hear of shootings in my neighborhood which is mostly white but go to a few towns over that is mostly black, you will find MANY instances of shootings. That's just really a bottom line truth

.

Economics. Blacks are economically disadvantaged from cradle to grave when compared to their white counterparts. So when you've got entire communities economically disadvantaged vs white communities that aren't, there will be violence.

And though there may not be any shootings in your white neighborhood, the white neighborhoods are where the majority of the forcible rapes and aggravated assaults, burglaries, larcenies, etc, are taking place.

I am not being racist because honestly, being black does not mean that you will commit a crime but for some reason, those areas that are predominately black (and usually poor as well) have a higher crime rate than other areas including middle class areas with larger black population. I guess it's more socio-economic but it reflects in the race issue.

They don't have a higher crime rate. They have a higher crime rate for SOME crimes. The white communities definitely have a higher crime rate when you look at ALL crime.

 

[plain_n_simple]

To be completely honest, I wonder how much of that is due to the people group who commit more crimes. I think there are a lot of factors involved but honestly, you don't hear of shootings in my neighborhood which is mostly white but go to a few towns over that is mostly black, you will find MANY instances of shootings. That's just really a bottom line truth. I am not being racist because in reality, being black does not mean that you will commit a crime but for some reason, those areas that are predominately black (and usually poor as well) have a higher crime rate than other areas including middle class areas with larger black population. I guess it's more socio-economic but it reflects in the race issue.

Good points to consider Annsni. I think you might be right about the socioeconomic issue, which is caused by white racism.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Considering black people were slave owners as well what in the world are they going to do with that.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I guess one group of blacks shuts up and listens to the other ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Ah yes... I am the Pharisee for pointing out the fact you hold people to a higher standard than you hold yourself. Gotcha! :laugh: Someone needs a dictionary for Christmas. :wavey:

Someone needs a life. What standards do I hold for others that I don't hold for myself ?

 

[annsni]

Good points to consider Annsni. I think you might be right about the socioeconomic issue, which is caused by white racism.

Is it? How is that so? If a young black person wants to get ahead, they can. My friend is a single black mother with a black son. He worked hard to get ahead - to get himself above where he came from. He had no free ride or help and he ended up with a full scholarship - including housing - to MIT. Do I say that the guy who do what Chris did was held back because of white racism - or because of their own desire to wait for a handout?

 

[plain_n_simple]

If a young black person wants to get ahead, they can.

Oh, I guess none of them knew that, and none ever try. But its your friend that is the standard, not real numbers across the country.

 

[Zaac]

Is it? How is that so? If a young black person wants to get ahead, they can. My friend is a single black mother with a black son. He worked hard to get ahead - to get himself above where he came from. He had no free ride or help and he ended up with a full scholarship - including housing - to MIT. Do I say that the guy who do what Chris did was held back because of white racism - or because of their own desire to wait for a handout?

I don't think p_n_s is saying that what you say isn't true for some Blacks annsi. But as a whole, socieoeconomically, Blacks are hindered more than their white counterparts.

Why is black unemployment always twice or more than what it is amongst Whites? Over the last 60 years, the unemployment rate for Blacks has averaged about 2.2 times what it was for Whites.

Blacks are three times more likely to live in poverty than white children.

Blacks are more likely to receive high-cost mortgages vs their white counterparts.

There are lots and lots of examples, but they all point to there being a socioeconomic disparity.

Sure, like your friend, there are Blacks who can pull themselves up. But that doesn't happen nearly at the rate that it does for their white counterparts.

 

[annsni]

I don't think p_n_s is saying that what you say isn't true for some Blacks annsi. But as a whole, socieoeconomically, Blacks are hindered more than their white counterparts.

Why is black unemployment always twice or more than what it is amongst Whites? Over the last 60 years, the unemployment rate for Blacks has averaged about 2.2 times what it was for Whites.

Blacks are three times more likely to live in poverty than white children.

Blacks are more likely to receive high-cost mortgages vs their white counterparts.

There are lots and lots of examples, but they all point to there being a socioeconomic disparity.

Sure, like your friend, there are Blacks who can pull themselves up. But that doesn't happen nearly at the rate that it does for their white counterparts.

I think a lot has to do with generational stuff. It is the same in black and white. Oftentimes if you grow up in poverty, you will stay in poverty. Yes, there are ways out and it takes hard work. Unfortunately, many who have generational poverty have not been taught hard work.

 

[PreachTony]

Economics. Blacks are economically disadvantaged from cradle to grave when compared to their white counterparts. So when you've got entire communities economically disadvantaged vs white communities that aren't, there will be violence.

Why do you think economic disadvantage spawns violence? And is this true across the board? Does it require the entirety of the community to be disadvantaged?

I ask this because, I am white, and I grew up poor. In many ways, I'm still fairly low on the income scale. Much of that is due to my own choices, though.

I worked hard in school, graduated high school, my parents sacrificed so I could go to college, I got a degree and landed a pretty nice job. Never once, during my impoverished upbringing, was violence a consideration.

Why do you think that is, Zaac?