A Pastoral Letter to White Americans

[Crabtownboy]

You claimed Indians were nice to each other. Thats baloney. My question was not off topic.

Back to the hatred on this thread from you and zaac. So you won't say the Holy Spirit is enough to convict, and the Blood of Christ is enough to forgive ? The only way to forgiveness is to listen to the viewpoint of another race ? Thats what the article claims. Quite on-topic.


Answer it. Its even rational.

The quote is about how that particular Indian viewed White folk ... not about his view of war or peace within the tribes. Nice try to derail the thread, but I won't go down that rabbit track. In face, I made no comment on the OP. Just the quote from Black Elk. There is nothing in the quote about war or peace among Indians. There is no mention of war or peace between Indians and Whites. There is a comment on how he views the greed of Whites and how they treat each other badly. And, of course, he was speaking of how people within his own tribe interacted with each other.

Do you feel he has a point?

In case you forgot the quote I pasted it below. Read and comprehend.

Try to comprehend the subject of threads and reply calmly and rationally to that topic. Please stop trying to derail threads. Thanks.

Signing off for tonight. Time to get ready to "hit the hay".

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And I'm patient. I'm sure your trying to come up with the words, right now.

Think of something safe, and noncommittal to say, boys.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The quote is about how that particular Indian viewed White folk ... not about his view of war or peace within the tribes. Nice try to derail the thread, but I won't go down that rabbit track. In face, I made no comment on the OP. Just the quote from Black Elk. There is nothing in the quote about war or peace among Indians. There is no mention of war or peace between Indians and Whites. There is a comment on how he views the greed of Whites and how they treat each other badly. And, of course, he was speaking of how people within his own tribe interacted with each other.

Do you feel he has a point?

In case you forgot the quote I pasted it below. Read and comprehend.

Try to comprehend the subject of threads and reply calmly and rationally to that topic. Please stop trying to derail threads. Thanks.

Signing off for tonight. Time to get ready to "hit the hay".

Aw stay up. Don't be a coward.
I'll discuss the Indian thread in the Indian thread. Now I'm asking you SPECIFICALLY if the Holy Spirit can convict one of the sin of racism, and is the blood of Christ enough to forgive that sin ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I just gotta say "wow".

Why should I not doubt your salvation ? If you are saved, this is incredibly easy.


And zaac, for all your huffing and puffing, you not being able to answer this is telling. I know you've seen it.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And I hates to brag, but I nailed it in post #12. I just didn't know how well.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

My Jesus is stronger then Jim Wallis. I need forgiveness from no other.

The Holy Spirit residing in me is stronger than Jim Wallis. I need conviction from no other.

And praise Father God for both of them. Amen.

 

[Rolfe]

Rolf, I'm not trying to make a case for the statistics. I'm pointing to the fact that a lot of white people tend to not listen to what black people are saying when it comes to race.

(...)

So statistics are futile. This is about people not listening. I read an essay the other day and it really explained the dynamic well.

I am white. Though I disagree, I am trying to understand your point. Statistics are important to me.

 

[ShagNappy]

I just gotta say "wow".

Why should I not doubt your salvation ? If you are saved, this is incredibly easy.

Says the charming fellow that spews obscenities, calls others names, insults, belittles, and is obvious in their attempts to invoke a negative response to create chaos and discord, and, as of posts 12 and 23, shown himself to be a bald face liar. While you are questioning others salvation, which is against the forums rules I believe, you need to check into your own. It's is certainly lacking. :wavey:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Hiya Shaggy. See you haven't lost your way with word.


Got anything on the actual subject, or is this just your run of the mill pharisaical rant ?

 

[Zaac]

I am white. Though I disagree, I am trying to understand your point. Statistics are important to me.

I know they are. But there's no arbitrary number of deaths that is gonna convince you that it's an out of control epidemic.

 

[Sapper Woody]

I know they are. But there's no arbitrary number of deaths that is gonna convince you that it's an out of control epidemic.

Zaac, I think you know I'm sincere when I say this. But if you can show a stat that compares the percentage of violent crimes that blacks commit, versus the percentage of blacks wrongfully killed by officers, and show that it's disproportionate, I will readily believe there's a problem.



Until then, I will remain skeptical. I won't shut out other views, but will disagree with them until proven wrong.

 

[Zaac]

Zaac, I think you know I'm sincere when I say this. But if you can show a stat that compares the percentage of violent crimes that blacks commit, versus the percentage of blacks wrongfully killed by officers, and show that it's disproportionate, I will readily believe there's a problem.

Sapper, you know that I don't doubt your sincerity. But I ask again what would those numbers have to do with anything when prosecutors are bypassing due process and not indicting officers?

White people commit more violent crimes but their neighborhoods aren't policed the same way.

And as I showed earlier in this thread and others, police officers seem to do everything they can to not shoot and kill white assailants.

You seem to be looking for some sort of justification for killing unarmed men. Now I know you know how to check the numbers on how many blacks are killed yearly by police in comparison to whites killed by police. And even those numbers are gonna be incomplete because not everyone reports.

Until then, I will remain skeptical. I won't shut out other views, but will disagree with them until proven wrong.

That's fine. But like I said, there's no magic number that's gonna make white people think it's an epidemic because it doesn't hit home close enough.

That's not the case with black people.

 

[Revmitchell]

Until then, I will remain skeptical. I won't shut out other views, but will disagree with them until proven wrong.

The problem is you are not allowed to disagree. The only acceptable answer is to agree with them or you are racist and are not listening.

 

[Zaac]

The problem is you are not allowed to disagree. The only acceptable answer is to agree with them or you are racist and are not listening.

Now now. We don't want to take over your wheelhouse. We know you think you're the only one around here who can call anyone a racist.

 

[righteousdude2]

Sapper, you know that I don't doubt your sincerity. But I ask again what would those numbers have to do with anything when prosecutors are bypassing due process and not indicting officers?

The truth is, you can't get the numbers to fit your narrative, so let's do this. What is your proof that prosecutors are bypassing due process. Ferguson was a good decision. And NY is questionable. So, give us a list of more cases that support this claim?

BTW - it's been eight pages and I'm still waiting for the numbers I requested way back when you started this rant. You can't show the numbers so you rely heavily on narrative, which is nothing more than racial rhetoric!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The problem is you are not allowed to disagree. The only acceptable answer is to agree with them or you are racist and are not listening.

And seek absolution from them. It's preposterous.

 

[Salty]

Does the letter also pertain to whites who live in the USA, but are not Americans?

 

[Revmitchell]

And seek absolution from them. It's preposterous.

Considering black people were slave owners as well what in the world are they going to do with that.

 

[annsni]

The CDC's statistic on "homicide by legal intervention" meaning killing by anyone authorized to use deadly force while on duty states that in the years 1999-2011,

2,151 whites were killed by police
1,130 blacks were killed by police

 

[Zaac]

Does the letter also pertain to whites who live in the USA, but are not Americans?

irrelevant