2 Timothy2:1-4 said:When you then attach the word emerging to it it will discredit it from the start to many folks.
You've nailed the problem.
Maybe the solution is to not use any descriptions.
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2 Timothy2:1-4 said:When you then attach the word emerging to it it will discredit it from the start to many folks.
PD Church?....are you meaning Purpose Driven?
eehhh.......I wouldn't agree with that. I think a lot of PD haters slap that label on too many churches for whatever reason. You can't read that website and say, "that is a PD church", as if they base everything off of one book.
ShotGunWillie said:And I wouldn't agree to that....
You can see the RW's hand in a lot of churches, they may not be full blown "PD", but they have adopted some of the same ideas.
dan e. said:This thread was intended to show a great example of a church that is actually being the church. Maybe the discussion should change, for those who disdain the "E" word, to why churches may be called "emerg*!$"? Whether they classify themselves that way, or not. I know my church doesn't use the term emerging, mainly because of all the controversy from those who are twisting the Christian faith. We do use another term, missional.
So why is it that a church would use, or that people are using, the term "emerging"? It is an adjective distinctly different from a group "emergent" that is known for their controversial leaders that aren't afraid to redefine doctrine. But not everyone that is willing to be emerging is lined up with that camp. Maybe the better way to put it is why are churches separating themselves from some of the traditional ways of doing things?
christianyouth said:This ministry is essentially saying , "God can't save with his gospel anymore, we need to help him out.'
christianyouth said:Because they are not biblical. The Church needs to be about preaching the Gospel and caring for the sheep, not going out and cleaning barbershops in a futile attempt to 'draw' people into a church where they can hear the 'gospel'. Churches should not become preoccupied with doing menial things to ease their consciences, but should rather be about the Lord's work. Many of us are so opposed to this type of ministry because of the undertones. This ministry is essentially saying , "God can't save with his gospel anymore, we need to help him out.'
christianyouth said:This ministry is essentially saying , "God can't save with his gospel anymore, we need to help him out.'
Evangelize
Worship
Fellowship
Disciple
And Minister to those in need.
tinytim said:It is showing that we care enough about a person!
It is needs based evangelism...
And it is Biblical...
Christ cared and shared!
He didn't just stand a scream at the sinners. Now that is not Biblical..
And I went throught th 40 days of purpose, and the the PD church...
and it is Biblical.
Every purpose (5 of them) are what the church's should be about...
Please, since you are so wise, show me where the church should not:
Evangelize
Worship
Fellowship
Disciple
And Minister to those in need.
And a balanced church will do all 5.
The problem with modern day IFBs (some) is they emphasize Evangelism over the other 5...
The church in Acts had all five... go read the Bible Acts 2:42-the end of the chapter... and you will find all 5 purposes in the church...
The problem with you RW/PD, emerging haters is this:
YOu know your church should be doing all five purposes... but you won't admit it! God has told you, and you get your toes stepped on, and go off ready to kill the messenger instead of repenting and helping those in need...
Face it, the emerging church and PD churches are getting the jobs done, while you PD haters hide in your churches that have 4 walls and refuse to help others that need you! All the while, cramming your hate filled doctrine down your peon's throats..
Don't believe me?
How long has it been that you heard a preacher preach we should help the poor widow down the road, vs preaching against PD, emergent, versions, etc...
Sorry, but this slamming of others that are winning souls to Christ just because they are not like you wreaks of envy...
What churches are growing?
God didn't call a church to not grow...
Go win souls... don't complain about others that do.
ShotGunWillie said:On the surface that looks really good, but just below lies the "ecunemical side" of the entire thing. It doesn't matter what you believe, just fill a pew in a church somewhere. Catholics, Protestants, Muslims alike can all learn and use the PDC format to reshape their congregation and bring more people to "god". Looks really good on the surface though, RW is making an impact, What am I doing, right?
RW is the CEO of a large business in North America that has divisions throughout the world and subdivisions and distribution centers all over North America. He is "America's Pastor" and a corporate wiz and a marketing genius. He runs a business and the business is bring people together to stuff the church.
tinytim said:Welcome back Helen...
I agree our first responsibility is to help those in our church.. but then we have to show how much we care before people will listen.
And 4boys4joys, the reason i listed IFB is because on this board the only ones that complain against RW or PD is IFBs...
If I am wrong, show me... i am not above apologizing..
Show me someone else that is as loud as the IFBS against RW and PDC.
And BTW, I am willing to work along side other denominations to win souls... I notice you are not. Muslims is not a denomination, but a whole different religion... (RCC is too)
tinytim said:It is showing that we care enough about a person!
It is needs based evangelism...
And it is Biblical...
Christ cared and shared!
He didn't just stand a scream at the sinners. Now that is not Biblical..
And I went throught th 40 days of purpose, and the the PD church...
and it is Biblical.
Every purpose (5 of them) are what the church's should be about...
Please, since you are so wise, show me where the church should not:
Evangelize
Worship
Fellowship
Disciple
And Minister to those in need.
And a balanced church will do all 5.
The problem with modern day IFBs (some) is they emphasize Evangelism over the other 5...
The church in Acts had all five... go read the Bible Acts 2:42-the end of the chapter... and you will find all 5 purposes in the church...
The problem with you RW/PD, emerging haters is this:
YOu know your church should be doing all five purposes... but you won't admit it! God has told you, and you get your toes stepped on, and go off ready to kill the messenger instead of repenting and helping those in need...
Face it, the emerging church and PD churches are getting the jobs done, while you PD haters hide in your churches that have 4 walls and refuse to help others that need you! All the while, cramming your hate filled doctrine down your peon's throats..
Don't believe me?
How long has it been that you heard a preacher preach we should help the poor widow down the road, vs preaching against PD, emergent, versions, etc...
Sorry, but this slamming of others that are winning souls to Christ just because they are not like you wreaks of envy...
What churches are growing?
God didn't call a church to not grow...
Go win souls... don't complain about others that do.