A question about Calvinisum

[reformedbeliever]

The woman with the issue of blood did.

Case after case did.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

I believe also so my answer would yes, I believe a man must believe or he will die in his sins and where Jesus is he cannot go.

You did not answer my question?

Do you believe that the vast majority of God's creation will not have their hearts regenerated by God because He chooses not to regenerate them?? Now step up to the plate.


No, I still believe the same James. You misunderstand most of what I believe but I am still the same. You haven't moved me one inch.

Both of us understand that one must believe and have faith in order to be saved Bob. I asked if you thought that the act of belief is an exercise of the will? Yes or no will do.

 

[Brother Bob]

I said "I" reformed, what else do you want? It was my choice to choose good over evil. As in the past, it was my choice not to kill anyone, it was my choice not to commit adultery, it was my choice to believe God, it was my choice to take heed to the Spirit of God etc.

You still didn't answer my question?

Do you believe that the vast majority of God's creation will not have their hearts regenerated by God because He chooses not to regenerate them?? Now step up to the plate.

 

[Jarthur001]

I agree with you wholeheartly MB!

They always and always have to run to the under the Law and the Ordainances and decrees before the coming of Christ as Jauthor is cheif of them to do that to try and prove Calvinism.

I ask you, do you see one scripture by Jauthor from the NT????? He wants to get back there where all them concubines are.

It seems like it was you that said the church started in the OT. Are you now changing your mind?

It seems like it was you that has on your web site how we should follow the OT law. Do you now change your mind?

No, I still believe the same James. You misunderstand most of what I believe but I am still the same. You haven't moved me one inch

Then you think its ok to post from the OT?
BTW...What does concubines have to do with anything I have said or anything about this thread?

 

[reformedbeliever]

I said "I" reformed, what else do you want? It was my choice to choose good over evil. As in the past, it was my choice not to kill anyone, it was my choice not to commit adultery, it was my choice to believe God, it was my choice to take heed to the Spirit of God etc.

You still didn't answer my question?

Do you believe that the vast majority of God's creation will not have their hearts regenerated by God because He chooses not to regenerate them?? Now step up to the plate.

Ok, i'll take that as a yes. You didn't say yes, but that will do.

Lets get this straight. You say that belief is an exercise of the will. You say one has to believe before he can be born again. God's Word says John 1:12. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, {even} to those who believe in His name,
13. who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

God said it I didn't. I agree with Him however. Grace and peace

 

[Brother Bob]

Then you think its ok to post from the OT?
BTW...What does concubines have to do with anything I have said or anything about this thread?

They are not legal before God for us to have them today, but seems most of them you are quoting had them.

 

[Jarthur001]

I said "I" reformed, what else do you want? It was my choice to choose good over evil. As in the past, it was my choice not to kill anyone, it was my choice not to commit adultery, it was my choice to believe God, it was my choice to take heed to the Spirit of God etc.

You still didn't answer my question?

Do you believe that the vast majority of God's creation will not have their hearts regenerated by God because He chooses not to regenerate them?? Now step up to the plate.

I believe all men would go to hell. Every last one of them...if it were not for the mercy of God to save some.

 

[Brother Bob]

Lets get this straight. You say that belief is an exercise of the will. You say one has to believe before he can be born again. God's Word says John 1:12. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, {even} to those who believe in His name,
13. who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

God said it I didn't. I agree with Him however. Grace and peace

reformed; I believe every word of that. No problem at all. Believing is not the "new birth", but it must take place before you get it.

 

[reformedbeliever]

Brother Bob said; As in the past, it was my choice not to kill anyone, it was my choice not to commit adultery, it was my choice to believe God, it was my choice to take heed to the Spirit of God etc.

God's Word says; John 15: 16. "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and {that} your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

 

[Brother Bob]

I believe all men would go to hell. Every last one of them...if it were not for the mercy of God to save some.

James, I laugh till it hurts when I watch you twist words. I ask you a specific question. Either answer it or not.

You still didn't answer my question?

Do you believe that the vast majority of God's creation will not have their hearts regenerated by God because He chooses not to regenerate them?? Now step up to the plate.

 

[reformedbeliever]

I believe all men would go to hell. Every last one of them...if it were not for the mercy of God to save some.

Amen brother! If it was by my will that I was saved..... I'd still be headed to hell.

 

[Brother Bob]

God's Word says; John 15: 16. "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and {that} your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

Yea, I believe that too reformed. You know I believe scripture. I believed so God chose me. You don't see Him choosing any infidels, do you?


You still haven't answered my question?

Do you believe that the vast majority of God's creation will not have their hearts regenerated by God because He chooses not to regenerate them?? Now step up to the plate.
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[Jarthur001]

They are not legal before God for us to have them today, but seems most of them you are quoting had them.

Are you saying because someone had a concubine we should not quote them???? :laugh:

You just made another line in the book..."yes he really said that"

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So...you better edit your web site...

 

[reformedbeliever]

James, I laugh till it hurts when I watch you twist words. I ask you a specific question. Either answer it or not.

You still didn't answer my question?

Do you believe that the vast majority of God's creation will not have their hearts regenerated by God because He chooses not to regenerate them?? Now step up to the plate.

I'll answer you Bob. Using your faulty theology that one has to believe before they can be regenerated, and the fact that the majority of mankind will not believe, I think God chooses to not save them. There ya go!:thumbsup:

 

[J.D.]

James, I laugh till it hurts when I watch you twist words. I ask you a specific question. Either answer it or not.

You still didn't answer my question?

Do you believe that the vast majority of God's creation will not have their hearts regenerated by God because He chooses not to regenerate them?? Now step up to the plate.

I don't know if it's a "vast majority" that God has chosen to face justice, but the real question is why would he choose to regenerate any of them?

Answer: Unspeakable mercy.

 

[Brother Bob]

Are you saying because someone had a concubine we should not quote them???? :laugh:

You just made another line in the book..."yes he really said that"

:

So...you better edit your web site...

Are you kidding, I kinda like that. I even like the way you switch it from the concubines to me.

 

[Brother Bob]

I'll answer you Bob. Using your faulty theology that one has to believe before they can be regenerated, and the fact that the majority of mankind will not believe, I think God chooses to not save them. There ya go!:thumbsup:

Does God choose not to regenerate their hearts so they can escape hell?

I don't know if it's a "vast majority" that God has chosen to face justice, but the real question is why would he choose to regenerate any of them?

Answer: Unspeakable mercy.

You didn't answer either but made a statement as the others.

 

[Brother Bob]

I am glad to see you boys all together tonight. It shows real love. I think that is good.

 

[J.D.]

I understand that brother, but you can not contextually show that regeneration is being born again. Especially in light of the fact Christ uses the actual birthing process as the equivelent symbolism physically to that which happens spiritually.
To be born phycally places you INTO a famaly and automatically gives you family rights as you are born into that family and all that comes with it.
This is why Jesus goes on to state that:
You know the wind is there because you hear it but you have no clue where it is going or where it has been. You aren't the wind so you have no clue. (obvious paraphrase)
Regeneration is not the same as being saved for being saved means to be IN Christ so to is the illistration of being born again as you are Born INTO Christ. This is not regeneration as in one day coming INTO Christ but the New Birth IS IN Christ being in the Family of God.

An interesting study: (I don't know if you ever have done this but I did personally)
But look up every instance in the bible concerning regeneration and in what context it is in. I can not find even the a portion that equates born again with regeneration in context. You may be the first but hey it is an interesting study at least...

I don't know of any reputable theologian, C or NonC, that does not accept regeneration as synonymous with the new birth. Look at the words:

re/generation
born/again

See any similarity?

One might think of the Calvinistic view of regeneration as the pre-conversion work of the Holy Spirit.

Don't you have to admit that the Holy Spirit convicts the heart of sin? Does conviction come before or after conversion? It can't be denied - it comes before.

The wind (pnuema, spirit) bloweth where it listeth (wills)...

 

[J.D.]

Allen, also bear in mind that when we speak of regeneration preceeding conversion, it is a logical precedence (although some believe in a chronological preceding). I think most Calvinists hold to regeneration and conversion being chronologically simultaneous. In any case, regeneration is the fuel which causes the "burn" of conversion.

 

[reformedbeliever]

Does God choose not to regenerate their hearts so they can escape hell?

If they are not His sheep.