A question of headship and leadership

You have quoted 1 cor. 14 where paul says for women to be silent...however, What you have not done is address the other passages (not 1 cor. 14) that speak of women praying and prophesying, of paul speaking to Nympha.

Also, I notice you keep debating with Annsni even though you apparently don't believe she should even be allowed to express herself on this forum.

 

Well, you are the one who stated that a woman must remain silent. If she is to be silent, then congregationial singing is a "no no" as well. She can't sing and remain silent simultaenously, you know.


Listen, I am closer to your view than you might think. A woman in no way, shape form, or fashion, can preach. But to say that a woman can't speak(we let the women sing solos at our church) even during prayer requests is a bit much(or I guess you think they can't give out a name during prayer request?). Yes, there are limitations to when and where they can speak, but voting isn't outside their limits.

 

Touche'.....


CRACK!![The sound of a whip]

 

Um, yeah, that's called passive-aggressive. It doesn't teach, just controls. And it teaches little children to seek their parents' approval over all else.

Back to the subject.

Why, convict? Because Paul told the women in a particular 1st-century congregation to sit down and learn? That admonition is in not supposed to be normative or salient for the ages. God calls whom God wills, male and female, to preach the gospel, and the authority of the Bible bears witness to that fact.

Do the women in your church wear hats? I guess they should be doing that, too. And I hope you are good to your slaves.

 

Well, when a woman can be "the HUSBAND of one wife", then look me up(I mean biblically the HUSBAND of one wife).

 

Again, that message was to a particular people at a particular time. We can learn from it today that elders/leaders in the church should be faithful spouses, but that does not at all indicate that leaders, for all time and in all places, must be men.

Think about the historical context here. Women were only beginning to be considered anything more than property. The subject didn't come up because, well, it didn't need to.

 

Well, Brother, God is immutable, and so is His Word. The Word doesn't change throughout history. The husband of one wife is as good now, as it was when Apostle Paul wrote it.

 

You're right. It doesn't change, and it is entirely true and useful for us today, but it still has to be taken in its historical context, otherwise it doesn't mean anything to anyone. It's not in a vacuum.

So "husband of one wife" still helps us understand what we need to look for in the character of leaders, and that is faithfulness. Again, it would not have made sense to those people to tell them "wife of one husband," since they would not likely have considered a woman for church leadership at the time. The message was directly toward male believers.

God spoke through the apostles to those churches, and his message to them was a specific one for their time and place.

We still can learn from those. They teach us about God and about being the Church, but just as women don't need to cover their heads anymore,

 

God's meaning was the same then, as it is now. Now, if anyone wants to sit under a female preacher's teachings, go for it. As for me, I'd say, "C Ya later."

 

It is ridiculous to even assert that I'm disputing this. You're simply not going through the process of interpretation.

 

Hopefully this will still be active when I get done with work. I'm too busy to respond in too much detail.

In I Cor 11, we have a great passage about headship. The head of the wife is the husband. The head of the husband is Christ. The head of Christ is God. The passage is all about verse 3. Paul will continue on this subject. The wearing of hats(actually it was a veil and not a hat) isn't required today because that's not our custom. Paul's point here is not to give fashion advice to the women but about the headship. Women should look like women and men should look like men. At that time, women wore veils and so Paul referenced that. Women have longer hair than men. How long and how short? The passage doesn't say, but that's how every society has done it.

As far as submission goes, Paul transcends culture with verse 12 in reference to the creation of man and women in Genesis. So we cannot say that submission was a thing of culture like we do that hats.