A question of headship and leadership

"prophecy gift also related to take 'word of the Lord" and expound it/aplly it to contemporary situations, and think that Gift still in use today by gifted expositors/teachers of the Word!"

I don't understand where you got this thinking?

Are you claiming that preachers and teachers are in fact prophets?

All true prophets had direct revelation from God apart from any written or previously known information. That is to say, a prophets did not present what was already revealed and even written down, but foretold what would happen in the future.

They took what was NOT revealed about the future and said exactly what the God in heaven would cause to happen in the future.

This is NOT the same as expositors and teachers of the Word.

 

Some take the head covering to mean that the woman needs to actually wear a scarf or hat. I don't.

The passage would seem to indicate that a woman shouldn't shave her head (some would say cut her hair short - like a butch cut) and that men shouldn't wear their hair long (unless I suppose they have taken a Nazarite vow).

The passage is very specific about the women being silent. That in the worship and decision making and service of the church - it is man's work.


Taking both Old and New Testament forms of corporate worship, there were areas of "service" the woman could perform. They could sew the drapes and clothing. They could give gifts of jewelry and other needs. The old and wise could serve as guidance counselors to the young perhaps hormonally excitable girls. And the women could sing in the public worship. The Scriptures indicate that in choral grouping the woman could sing - but not as soloists. There are other areas of service the woman could satisfy.

Certainly they could pray - in their hearts.

I would think that many did and that it would be something like, "Lord, you know how dim and dull the men are!!! Can you prod them to think like you and me?"

 

You must have missed this in the reading.

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, ..."

Seems that Aaron was not merely Moses' public broadcaster, but was directly told by God what to say and do, too.

It is also in that passage that when God spoke only to Moses, that Aaron did not speak but rather obeyed the brothers command.

 

Ah, such is posting irregularities in the late sleeplessness of the night!

The thinking I was putting forth was that the handiwork of the women is not to be disregarded not diminished. But it is not the authoritarian work of the deacon, or bishop - men.

 

That is not what Ex 7 states.

God told Moses and Aaron exactly what to do and say before it was to happen.

Later in the same Ex 7, God speaks to Moses and Moses gave the command to Aaron. Aaron did not speak at that time, but did what God through Moses commanded.

 

Why?

What if she and her husband disagree on who should be chosen?

Does not the Scripture teach that as the head of the home, the man has the responsibility and the wife is to be silent?

 

Then you disagree with Paul who definitely said that the women shouldn't speak.

I have no problem with folks being welcomed into the church, but it is the husband's position as authority over his home to introduce his wife and children. It is his responsibility to sit as responsible of the spiritual well being of the wife and home, not the pastor's. She is "not under his authority." It is for the family to listen to what the pastor says and weigh it in the light of the Scriptures, just as all members should (but usually don't) do. But, the pastor should have no reason to even talk to the wife of another man without the expressed approval and consent of the husband. He is the head of the home, just as Christ is head of the church.

Using that as an example, remember Job? The enemy had to seek God's permission to touch the living and lives of Job and his family. Christ is head of the church and the husband is head of the home. The church is the bride of Christ and answers to Him alone in all matters. The wife and family must follow that same example.

The woman does have a say in what goes on in the congregation. Just as we petition the God of Heaven through Christ our groom. "We come boldly to the thrown of grace" in His name. The wife petitions the husband the same way. What godly husband can turn down the godly wife's petition?
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Already done that early in this thread.

I know you read it, didn't you?

Just because you don't agree with Paul's statement doesn't make it untrue.

In the above post, I mentioned the relationship of Christ to the church and the husband to the wife and home.

Does the believer go directly to the God of Heaven to tell Him what to do or how to act? No. The petition goes through Christ, and though we may not make it acceptable with all the groaning and mutterings, He presents it to the father.

The same example should be carried out in the assembly.

I don't know many women who aren't good at muttering and groaning, and the husbands usually put up with them. :saint:

Seriously though, it is not a trivial matter that is discussed on this thread, and to submit to the Scriptural authority as presented by Christ (for He is the very Word) is sometimes not what the fleshly mind would readily agree.