A question of headship and leadership

You wanted Scriptures to show women singing, and I presented an example.

There were no separation of sacred and secular for Israel. The people are called by His name and He is there God. Therefore, when they assembled, it was as a church, for God was in their midst - well at least for a while.

 

Now, is this not a particular problem for you? Did you change your thinking?

It is YOU that has consistently argued AGAINST women being silent in the church, and here you state that it would be a problem in the tabernacle for them to sing even as a group.

Seems you are using your post as a proof of Paul's statement being born out in an Old Testament example?

If you recant, then you would have to show that women did in fact sing in groups at worship.



On the other matter, to the practicing Jew all things revolve around their identification with the religious and ceremonial traditions, even down to the clothes they wear. The Jewish folk considers a Jew a Jew until there is a denial of the religion and then that "former Jew" is considered dead.

The believer is to have that same way of being. There is no separation as to sacred and secular. A believer is considered a believer until there is a denial of belief and then that person is to be cut out and off from the body of believers.

 

If (as you contend) that there is no scriptural proof that the women were allowed to sing at temple, then they were silent.

Paul said they were to be silent in the church.

If you want to extend the proof you have offered to say that women should not sing solos or in ensembles, that is permissible.

I do not believe that women were excluded from singing with the congregation of Israel at temple, nor do I believe that they were left out of the choral assemblies.

 

Paul talks of prophecy in the early church, and because there were women prophets, I am making the assumption that they spoke. An Old Testament example would be Miriam leading the women out and instructing them on their response to the Egyptian's demise.

Prophecy has no place in the modern church for the Word of God is closed. There is no "new" revelation from God and therefore no need of prophecy.

Paul said women were to be silent.

 

Certainly!

I make a mean Dr. Pepper cake

I am slightly allergic to chocolate, but can tolerate it enough that I can eat a piece and still have cake for later.

 

Because you say that women did not sing at tabernacle then it follows that Paul's thinking would be that women not sing, either.

Remember Paul said women were to be silent, I am merely restating that Scripture.

 

The examples of women prayers in the scriptures especially how and what they prayed is wonderful.

I recall when the priest rebuked the earnest praying of a woman as one who was drunk. It took place at temple, and wasn't she marvelously blessed.

Because of such examples, I see no problem with women praying privately nor do I see such communication with God through Christ ever restricted in scriptures except when conflict and sin rule.

Because Paul said that the women are to be silent, I have sought the examples of acceptable practice found in the Old and New Testament that would place certain qualifiers upon the statement. Prayer offered by the woman in the church as a private matter between she and Christ, and not open to public hearing would resolve the seeming dilemma between Paul's demand and the practice.


I have at times wondered about Christ's thinking during the public prayers offered in a church service. The one time I sensed the Holy Spirit's greatest approval was when the church offered not one word publicly, but each prayed from within their own heart during that very quiet time. The stillness and sombre moment made the very atmosphere alive with the presence of Christ. More than one person remarked how they regretted the growing urgency and pressure of the need to move to the next point in the "order of worship."

 

Can you show that the Scriptures are not complete and prophecy is still a viable method God uses to communicate with humans?

Because if such were the case, then the prophetic writings of a present day prophet would hold the same value as the very Word of God.