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A Question regarding KJVO

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Logos1560

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i see a huge problem with philosophies like yours and logos1560's and always have. You believe in Jesus Christ but you do not believe God. .

You disobey scripture as you bear false witness, making the false allegation that I supposedly do not believe God. Perhaps you have a problem with what the Scriptures teach. I believe God and the Scriptures. I believe all that the Scriptures state and teach about themselves. I repeatedly appeal to the Scriptures as the basis for my points. I believe what God says.

Your human non-scriptural KJV-only reasoning/teaching attempts to add to Scripture opinions of man that the Scriptures do not teach. You choose to believe assertions that are not true and that are not what God says.
 

robycop3

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i see a huge problem with philosophies like yours and logos1560's and always have. You believe in Jesus Christ but you do not believe God. The idea that God is hiding his magnificent word from everybody in a Hebrew and Greek language that no one has spoken for a couple thousand years would be laughable, if not so tragic.

Our Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, and praise him for it, but the testimony about it is from God the Father and you will have to believe what he says to be saved and instructed. If you feel the need to keep translating the Hebrew and Greek into English over and over again with no end in sight, then your very actions say you neither believe what God says in Hebrew, Greek or English enough to make a stand on it..

Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it (righteousness) was imputed to him (Abraham);
24 But for us (believers after the cross and resurrection) also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him (God the Father) that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered (by God the Father) for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Many of these translations you fellows champion do not even translate the Hebrew and Greek but uses dynamic equivalences. That says all that needs to be said about what they think about believing God. Fundamentalist Baptist Christians cannot be suckered that easily. Sadly though, our numbers are shrinking at an alarming rate and the deception is great.

I am saying we have the testimony of God in our language somewhere in words he has chosen himself.
Sorry, Captain, but several English translations follow the ancient mss. closely, such as the NKJV & NASV, in OUR English.

And we've pointed out several goofs & booboos in the KJV, I. E. "Easter" in Acts 12:4. So, did GOD inspire those goofs & booboos?????????????????????

Now, WHY did God choose to give us His word in Hebrew, Aramaic, & Koine Greek? First, those were the languages of His chosen penmen & the immediate readership of His written word over the centuries. Second, He knew those languages wouldn't be vastly changed over the years.

And a reminder-The KJVO myth is NOT found in Scripture, a fact which automatically makes it false.
 

robycop3

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You mean like Solomon?

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Ecc 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

I'll take it.
Of course. You'll be alone some day.
 

JD731

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You disobey scripture as you bear false witness, making the false allegation that I supposedly do not believe God. Perhaps you have a problem with what the Scriptures teach. I believe God and the Scriptures. I believe all that the Scriptures state and teach about themselves. I repeatedly appeal to the Scriptures as the basis for my points. I believe what God says.

Your human non-scriptural KJV-only reasoning/teaching attempts to add to Scripture opinions of man that the Scriptures do not teach. You choose to believe assertions that are not true and that are not what God says.


I am sorry, L1560, but your comments are not evidence of what you claim. When someone champions a dynamic equivalence of what they say is absolutely the words of God, The Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, then present arguments in favor of other men altering those words by replacing them with their own, (editing) and then have the gall to say those men have accurately translated those words into the English language, that man at the very least has a problem with reasoning and logic. Isn't that a description of yourself?
 

Yeshua1

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You surely can't be serious. Because someone is from another country or speaks another language they are automatically lost? No way they could be Christian?
Its the way some Kjvo think!

A lost person can't read a Bible?

I have never seen such a ridiculous post. I hope this is a poor attempt at sarcasm. I'll pray for you.
 

Yeshua1

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Well, if they are not "lost," as you say, and they are not illegals, they probably already have a bible in their own language and your worries about them are misplaced.



An unsaved man in Acts 8 had a bible he was reading but God had to send him a preacher before he could get saved. That is just the way God is. God said that faith comes by hearing. What are your favorite 3 examples of people getting saved by reading a bible in the NT?
Are you saying that the Holy Spirit cannot use the scriptures only to save a lost sinner, that He requires human assistance?
 

Yeshua1

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This is true and is my point. God sent saved preachers to unsaved people and the scriptures to churches where saved people congregate in local assemblies. He sent the NT scriptures piecemeal, one epistle at a time. Even the gospel accounts were not written until late in the apostolic era and the 5 works of John were last to be written in the 90's AD. Obviously the Acts, a history of what happened with the ministry of the preachers, the apostles, was not written until the end of that era. All the gentiles who were saved in the 1st century were saved by believing a preacher telling about Jesus Christ and the love of God in sending him.

Unsaved people do not need a bible, they need a witness. It is proven on this forum every day that a bible does no one any good unless they are saved. Unsaved people do not believe the bible because they cannot understand it. God designed it that way.

1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Are you saying that the Holy Spirit cannot work with just the scriptures alone to save lost sinners?
 

JD731

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Sorry, Captain, but several English translations follow the ancient mss. closely, such as the NKJV & NASV, in OUR English.
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It is sergeant, but this statement is a copout. You have not argued for several of the modern translations but for all of them. You may prove me wrong by posting a link where you have warned about any English translations not following closely the ancient manuscripts. And who is satisfied with closeness anyway? This is suggestive of your real philosophy.

And we've pointed out several goofs & booboos in the KJV, I. E. "Easter" in Acts 12:4. So, did GOD inspire those goofs & booboos?????????????????????

The KJV is not a translation of the same manuscripts of most of the modern versions, and you know that.

Now, WHY did God choose to give us His word in Hebrew, Aramaic, & Koine Greek? First, those were the languages of His chosen penmen & the immediate readership of His written word over the centuries. Second, He knew those languages wouldn't be vastly changed over the years.

Chapter and verse where you learned this from God. If you cannot find it, then you are pumping a philosophy or you are a prophet with some new information.

And a reminder-The KJVO myth is NOT found in Scripture, a fact which automatically makes it false

I have pointed out at least two statements of your faith in this post that is not scripture based. Why do you attack my faith and cannot prove your own and do not feel any urgency to try? There seems to be a force at work here.
 

JD731

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Are you saying that the Holy Spirit cannot use the scriptures only to save a lost sinner, that He requires human assistance?

Men preached God's word, even the man Christ Jesus. Name a member of Adam's race who has ever been saved without the influence of a man, and we can talk. I bet some man copied or printed the scriptures the Holy Spirit is using.

Jn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Think! And believe the words. There is no magic in salvation.
 

Yeshua1

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I am sorry, L1560, but your comments are not evidence of what you claim. When someone champions a dynamic equivalence of what they say is absolutely the words of God, The Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, then present arguments in favor of other men altering those words by replacing them with their own, (editing) and then have the gall to say those men have accurately translated those words into the English language, that man at the very least has a problem with reasoning and logic. Isn't that a description of yourself?
He supports the Kjv as his primary english translation, are you upset with him also liking the nkjv then?
 

Yeshua1

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Men preached God's word, even the man Christ Jesus. Name a member of Adam's race who has ever been saved without the influence of a man, and we can talk. I bet some man copied or printed the scriptures the Holy Spirit is using.

Jn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Think! And believe the words. There is no magic in salvation.
So the Holy Spirit power to convict, regenerate, enable and quicken limited to just human agents used by Him?
 

JD731

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The Holy Spirit can save a lost sinner if they read the bible!

Where was the Holy Spirit in Acts 8? Why did John of Japan feel the need to go to Japan? Why didn't he just translate a Japanese Bible and send that to them? Why did God send preachers before there was a bible in the NT? Why not send a Bible first instead of the preacher?

Think!
 

JD731

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So the Holy Spirit power to convict, regenerate, enable and quicken limited to just human agents used by Him?

If you disagree with my quotes from the KJV, then quote your bible that says something different for confirmation of your own faith. I am trying to believe the words I am reading. What about you?
 

Marooncat79

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Men preached God's word, even the man Christ Jesus. Name a member of Adam's race who has ever been saved without the influence of a man, and we can talk. I bet some man copied or printed the scriptures the Holy Spirit is using.

Jn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Think! And believe the words. There is no magic in salvation.

Abraham

Noah
 

Yeshua1

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If you disagree with my quotes from the KJV, then quote your bible that says something different for confirmation of your own faith. I am trying to believe the words I am reading. What about you?
The Bible and the Holy Spirit saves the lost sinner, correct? Cannot the person read the scriptures and hav the Holy Spirit do His salvation work there then?
 

robycop3

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It is sergeant, but this statement is a copout. You have not argued for several of the modern translations but for all of them. You may prove me wrong by posting a link where you have warned about any English translations not following closely the ancient manuscripts. And who is satisfied with closeness anyway? This is suggestive of your real philosophy.
Somewhere on this very board, I have spoken against the New World Translation, the "Clear Word Bible", the Living Bible with its cusswords, and expressed my dislike for "dynamic equivalence" translations.
And YOU must be satisfied with closeness, as a close examination of your KJV compared with the best translations of many Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic words or phrases will reveal a large number of differences.



The KJV is not a translation of the same manuscripts of most of the modern versions, and you know that.
It's a translation of the Hebrew Masoretic Texts & Beza's revision of the Textus Receptus, with only some 20 mss. being used altogether, with some 5K mss. or parts of mss.being available now.



Chapter and verse where you learned this from God. If you cannot find it, then you are pumping a philosophy or you are a prophet with some new information.
I base that statement upon common sense. God could've given His word in Goofoffistanese had He so chosen.



I have pointed out at least two statements of your faith in this post that is not scripture based. Why do you attack my faith and cannot prove your own and do not feel any urgency to try? There seems to be a force at work here.
Guess the phrase "These truths are self-evident" holds no meaning for you. Fact is, you simply cannot support nor justify your KJVO myth, so you seek a different bunny trail, to attack the messenger since you can't defeat the message.
 

Yeshua1

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If you disagree with my quotes from the KJV, then quote your bible that says something different for confirmation of your own faith. I am trying to believe the words I am reading. What about you?
What about those testimonies from people who state were in a hotel and read Gideon bible, or watched a tv show and got saved?
 
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