It seems you know nothing of the attributes of God.
As Dave Hunt sums it up in his book, "What Love is This?
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A Tale of Two Faiths
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As Dave Hunt sums it up in his book, "What Love is This?
You have been refuted at every turn.
You have no understanding of romans 6
You have no knowledge of 1 cor 2-3
Romans 11
You list verses dealing with faith. Thats fine. None of those verses deal with the origin of faith....which is God Himself. Your agenda keeps you from seeing it. You do not want it. That is on you. Protestant is trying to help you as he sees what is happening. You resist it.
We all see it:wavey:
convicted1
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Hi my Calvinist brothers and sisters! :wavey:
Just want to put a plug in for my new thread....
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=98534
This is a great opportunity for Calvinist to present some real arguments against Calvinism, seeing how it is believed the non-Cal's arguments here are considered to be somewhat less than what a Calvinist can present themselves. See ya there....get a :type:
Just want to put a plug in for my new thread....
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=98534
This is a great opportunity for Calvinist to present some real arguments against Calvinism, seeing how it is believed the non-Cal's arguments here are considered to be somewhat less than what a Calvinist can present themselves. See ya there....get a :type:
"You see it that way," or don't. Simply because you agree one with another doesn't mean much. You haven't done much to refute scripture.
Not one of you have been able to demonstrate that "faith comes from God" through the Scriptures, or that God gives that faith to the unregenerate. Not one verse of scripture. You all agree one with another to blindly follow the philosophy of Calvin instead of scripture. Pity!
Well, after reading a good many posts in this thread, I'll have to side with DHK.
Still, I have many Calvinist friends -- theology aside.
what point do you think he has posted biblically on rebel?
Can you show where anyone other than you mentioned Calvin?
You have been shown many times...you resist. Repentance and Faith are the gift of God granted as part of salvation.
Before salvation is granted by God...sinners have no faith, that is why they are unregenerate. All christians were unsaved before God saves them.:thumbs:
God is love, but not to the exclusion of all of His other attributes, as he is also Holy and Soveregn, and that He alone can freely judge and decide to whom Chrsit died for is a part of that truth that the secret and hidden things belong to Him!
And why would it be infai to have God be the One to determine just to whom is salavation offerred unto, is he not qualified to be the right judge of all of this?
You make statements as if they are "truths" when they are not.
I ask you to prove through scripture that faith is a gift from God; that God gives faith to the unregenerate, but you can't do it. This is Calvin's philosophy, and all you can do is quote the Westminster Confession of Faith (which descends from Calvin). You can't demonstrate your beliefs through Scripture.
You say "you have been shown." You are wrong.
The Calvinist goes to the other extreme. Sovereignty is magnified (and re-defined) to the exclusion of all other attributes.
Check out the Bible with a simple search on "mercy" and "merciful." How often and how much does the Bible speak about the mercy of God. Not only is the mercy of God is extolled, it is extended to all the world--saved and unsaved--Jews and Gentiles alike. God is merciful to all.
The Calvinist ignores the mercy of God completely. He must as he believes in the doctrine of reprobation where there is absolutely no mercy. How can one believe in reprobation and a merciful God at the same time? He cannot. Calvin has painted a picture of a cruel God that the Bible does not describe.
Yes...we have shown how this takes place Eph 2 shows it is the gift of God.
Acts 11
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul
jn36 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
your theories are born of the flesh.....Cal truth of the Spirit
convicted1
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Okay, lemme me try this again. I'll use the KJV because it's your favorite, and mine too, though I really love the YLT.
--Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith(Heb. 12:2a)
Let's look at the greek word used for 'faith' in this verse...
archēgos
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the chief leader, prince
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of Christ
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one that takes the lead in any thing and thus affords an example, a predecessor in a matter, pioneer
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the author
God is the Author of our faith. Just like Stephen King is the author if 'It', he was the source of that novel. God is the Author of our faith, the Originator of our faith, the Source of our faith.
Now, let's look at the greek word used for 'finisher'...
teleiōtēs
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a perfector
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one who has in his own person raised faith to its perfection and so set before us the highest example of faith
God not only Authors our faith, but He perfects it.
Hey, guys. You're missing the underlying thrust of DHK's exquisite reasoning.
DHK has said on 10/02/2008 : "He [God-Rip] gives as much faith to the unbeliever as he gives to my dog --none."
DHK has sat on that for years. He has not changed --despite all the Scripture cited against his incredible (i.e. not credible) view.
DHK has said on 10/02/2008 : "He [God-Rip] gives as much faith to the unbeliever as he gives to my dog --none."
DHK has sat on that for years. He has not changed --despite all the Scripture cited against his incredible (i.e. not credible) view.
DHK
more falsehoods
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
He is described here as merciful for thousands...those whose sin is forgiven
That would be the saved....the elect
and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
The guilty would be those who do not have forgiveness of sins....
looks like a contrast:thumbsup:
Quite a foolish claim...easily disproved.
The reprobates do not receive mercy:thumbsup:
All Christians do.
He must...some go to heaven, some to hell....they are not quite the same DHK:laugh:
No one knows what you are talking about...the thread is not about Calvin is it? Stay on topic DHK:laugh:
more falsehoods
Lets see; you claim scripture says this-
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
He is described here as merciful for thousands...those whose sin is forgiven
That would be the saved....the elect
and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
The guilty would be those who do not have forgiveness of sins....
looks like a contrast:thumbsup:
Quite a foolish claim...easily disproved.
The reprobates do not receive mercy:thumbsup:
All Christians do.
He must...some go to heaven, some to hell....they are not quite the same DHK:laugh:
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No one knows what you are talking about...the thread is not about Calvin is it? Stay on topic DHK:laugh:
:laugh::applause::applause::laugh: Thanks for the reminder....new guys like REBEL might not be aware of DHK's anti cal Jihad. Just keep exposing such falsehoods and the truth will be left standing at the end of the threads,...lol
Hold on Con 1....this verse has been presented dozens of times, and DHK claims it has not been shown
It seems so conclusive...could anyone claim it is not taught in scripture:laugh:
All Scripture Cited Is From NIV
I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I
have compassion. (Ex. 33:19, Ro. 9:15)
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. (Ro. 9:18)
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"But wait a minute" say the non-Calvinists. "God is supposed to have mercy on every single person. He plays no favorites. He owes everyone mercy. I think the verses Rip just cited were actually from Calvin's Institutes --not from the Bible."
I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I
have compassion. (Ex. 33:19, Ro. 9:15)
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. (Ro. 9:18)
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"But wait a minute" say the non-Calvinists. "God is supposed to have mercy on every single person. He plays no favorites. He owes everyone mercy. I think the verses Rip just cited were actually from Calvin's Institutes --not from the Bible."
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convicted1
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Now DHK, let's go to your pet verse Roman 10:17
--So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
I have no idea why you use this thinking it stumps our view. In fact, in enhances our view in regards to faith being God-sourced..
Now, when a sinner hears the word of God via preaching and/or witnessing, where does the faith come from? Is the God working through the preacher/witness or come from within the sinner?
--So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
I have no idea why you use this thinking it stumps our view. In fact, in enhances our view in regards to faith being God-sourced..
Now, when a sinner hears the word of God via preaching and/or witnessing, where does the faith come from? Is the God working through the preacher/witness or come from within the sinner?
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