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A VERY DARK Day for the USA!

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SavedByGrace

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JonC said:
I understand you believe those like Paul who from what we know of the man did not vote (but had that right) but dedicated his life to Christ to be wrong, but do you believe that it is a sin? What passage do you offer that says Christians must participate in worldly powers?
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Romans 13 can be understood as Christian governments, as in verse 1, "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God."
 
Reynolds

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Earth Wind and Fire said:
See you are a jaggwad! Just admit it. :Laugh
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I don't know what that is, but it probably describes you Comrade blow hard.
I notice your Commie Democrat buddies have D.C. looking like a Communist Capital. Got the military there to protect them from the citizens. Y'all aint even hiding the Communism too well.
 
SavedByGrace

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JonC said:
You are wrong on that part, but perhaps it is my lack of articulation. I'll try again.

I believe we are better when Christians are leaders. I believe that the nation is a more moral nation when Christians are in leadership (Christians being Christians who are moral and not just calling themselves "Christian" to get votes).

But I do not believe that is the role of a Christian. The world may be a more "moral" place, but the Church suffers. The Church suffers when the surrounding culture feigns Christianity. The world enters the Church and the faith becomes warm.

People need to decide who it is they are to follow - the World or God. And then devote themselves to that course. We have too many fence riders trying to keep one hand in each "kingdom".
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sorry, but you sound confused! Christian "leaders" also include people that are in authority that make decisions that affect the lives of others. This can include judges, governors, mayors, presidents, etc. all of these can and do "judge"!
 
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Reynolds said:
I don't know what that is, but it probably describes you Comrade blow hard.
I notice your Commie Democrat buddies have D.C. looking like a Communist Capital. Got the military there to protect them from the citizens. Y'all aint even hiding the Communism too well.
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Is this therapy for you... :Laugh
 
JonC

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SavedByGrace said:
Romans 13 can be understood as Christian governments, as in verse 1, "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God."
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Yes, I agree with that passage and your interpretation. There is no authority except that which is from God, and we are to submit to the governing authorities. This is exactly the stance the Early Church took (Tertullian, for example, described Christians as not serving in politics but also as not resisting persecution when it came but following Christ's example as a witness to the world).
 
JonC

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SavedByGrace said:
sorry, but you sound confused! Christian "leaders" also include people that are in authority that make decisions that affect the lives of others. This can include judges, governors, mayors, presidents, etc. all of these can and do "judge"!
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Can you provide a passage that states Christians need to be involved in politics?
 
SavedByGrace

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JonC said:
Yes, I agree with that passage and your interpretation. There is no authority except that which is from God, and we are to submit to the governing authorities. This is exactly the stance the Early Church took (Tertullian, for example, described Christians as not serving in politics but also as not resisting persecution when it came but following Christ's example as a witness to the world).
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why are you hung up on how the early church fathers viewed this? You have admitted that Romans 13 allows for Christians to be invloved in governments and therefore politics?
 
JonC

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SavedByGrace said:
can a person be a president, governor or mayor, and not be invloved in politics?

This is how Collins English Dictionary defines the word politics

the practice or study of the art and science of forming, directing, and administrating states and other political units; the art and science of government; political science
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Good question. This is what each person has to consider. If not then perhaps they should refrain from joining themselves with the "powers of this dark age".
 
JonC

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SavedByGrace said:
why are you hung up on how the early church fathers viewed this? You have admitted that Romans 13 allows for Christians to be invloved in governments and therefore politics?
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Because I believe they were correct.

No, I never admitted that Roman's 13 allows for Christians to be involved in politics (or governments). You are mistaken.
 
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robustheologian said:
I keep forgetting everyone here doesn't have a college education. :Laugh Of course, I don't support infanticide. And I support gay and lesbian marriages as much as you and the rest of MAGA nation support racism and bigotry.
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You are saying that all republicans , especially Christian ones, support racism and bigotry then?
 
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JonC said:
Because I believe they were correct.

No, I never admitted that Roman's 13 allows for Christians to be involved in politics (or governments). You are mistaken.
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So should Christians be in military and police forces then?
 
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