AIDS and Romans 1:24-32

Yes, I have read it Joseph. You used the prhase "evil lifestyle". is not all sin evil to God? That was all I asked.

 

You are correct that all sin is evil to God. However, in these cases, God used me to witness to homosexuals and lead them out of their evil lifestyles. Do you believe homosexuality is an evil lifestyle?

Joseph Botwinick

 

You can ask questions, but you just don't seem to like to answer them, now, do you, Bro. Curtis. I never said the book was cryptic...I think it's plain and simple. He offered what was right there. Now...answer the questions Joseph asked you.

 

I believe all sin is evil. It tears one down spritiualy. We have to understand that we must not condone sin yet have mercy for the sinner.

Many times people have equated the sin to the person. No where in scripture does it tell us to do that. We must show the love Christ when dealing with the lost. Judgement will come when they die.

 

Please quote me where I said anything like this. I do not condone hatred for other people. I hate the sin, but love the sinner.

Joseph Botwinick

 

TexasSky..Christians can vote all they like, but they will be overridden by liberal judges, etc. This doesn't mean they're not doing their job...

 

Directly or indirectly, disease is a result of sin.

People believed this in Jesus' day and I still believe it now. With that truth, what should our attitude be towards disease and its victims? Here how Jesus approaches someone people believed was sick because of their sin.

 

This argument brings to mind the movie, "And the Band Played On", which is based on the book by the same name.

 

These are interesting statistics. But, where do you get them and do they tell the whole story? For example, we do know that there are places in the world where the Church is operated in the underground due to religious persecution. Is it possible that those numbers do not include what is happening underground?

The US population is approximately 280,000,000.

In the United States 3 out of 4 adults say they are Christian.

There are approximately 600,000 admitted gays living in the US.

This means 2 things. 1) Asignificant number of gays are professing to be Christian. [/QUOTE]

There is actually some truth in this statement. But, I promise you it isn't because Southern Baptists haven't taken a strong stance against this. As a matter of fact, besides innerancy and women in ministry, I would say that this is one of the major issues which led to a split in the SBC causing many liberal churches to go off and create the CBF and Alliance of Baptists.

2) A small number of people in the US are Gay (less than 1% of the total population) - YET - they changed the law to actually ENCOURAGE homosexuality.

How did they do that?
If Christians are voting.
If Christians are participating.
How did 1% of the population, in a country where the MAJORITY of the population professes to be Christian - get those laws passed if we were doing our job? [/QUOTE]

These are good questions. Perhaps, scripture has some answers for us on this matter:

Matthew 7:13-14; 21-23

I know this isn't a pleasant thought, but perhaps many of those who claim Christianity are decieved by the false teachings they have been fed, that are abounding in many so-called Christian churces today.

What a shame.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Again, TexasSky, just because everyone doesn't do all those things listed doesn't mean they aren't doing their job. The Bible tells us to pray, stand fast and preach the gospel. God is the one who sets up and takes down...not us. We may assist in some puny way. Your reasoning is unrealistic and circular. Not EVERYONE COULD do all those things.

 

1. You assume that Noah was not surrounded by people who thought they were religious. I am not sure that is true. Also consider the prophets and Apostles as well. Their audience with the Jewish Leaders was certainly not a group of people who didn't think they were Godly.

2. Perhaps, we have billions of decieved religious people and not true Christians. What say you?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Actually, TexasSky...they didn't change the law. The liberal judges changed the law not to encourage homosexuality, but to have it accepted as an alternative lifestyle. This is what you get when you have liberal judges not interpreting the law, but legislating it from the bench.

 

This thread has gone way off course....

 

The majority of the non-believers who need to be saved are already inside the churches.

Amen Texas Sky!!! And they think they are already saved.
But I thought everybody knew that!!

Tam

 

I think point two goes back to the passage in the Bible that says:

Pay particular attention to the last part of the passage, and I think you will understand where I am going with this. This is part of the reason I don't think you can necessarily blame the lack of salvation in the world on the Church. But, alas, we may find ourselves agreeing to disagree about this.

Joseph Botwinick