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salzer mtn

salzer mtn

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Arbo said:
Do we know as fact that the climate in Biblical days was as it is now? When the Israelites came to the land after leaving Egypt, it is mentioned as a land flowing with milk and honey. If it was a verdant land, it would be reasonable to assume that there was adequate water.
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If you had read the scripture i put up you would know. The only reason i think the land would soon after turn from a land of milk and honey to a dried up parched land is because of Israels disobediance.
 
Jerome

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SBTS President Albert Mohler preaching on alcohol, addresses the faulty assumptions, etc. of the 'booze booster' crowd:

http://www.sbts.edu/resources/lectures/school-council/alcohol-and-the-ministry/

Jesus turned the water into wine, but the word wine, when you find it, especially in the New Testament, does not mean, what we probably think it means
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We've all seen some of the websites and the weblogs. . . .Let me tell you that I find a great deal of immaturity reflected there. It's all of the sudden like we have a young generation trying to say, "Hey we are so much smarter than our parents, we are so much more mature and more liberated, we can enjoy these things, and now I'm going to recommend my favorite beer and my favorite wine to all of my friends.' And it's, frankly, I think it's sad, immature
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InTheLight

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InTheLight said:
I have posted two verses that definitely refer to fermented drink (and 12Strings has posted others as well):

Numbers 28:7-8 God will accept an drink offering of fermented wine.
Isaiah 25:6 God will serve us fermented wine at a great feast.

yet none of the teetotalers addresses these verses. Why is that?
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Bumpity bump.
 
salzer mtn

salzer mtn

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When does your liberty in the Lord become sin? Answer: When you use your liberty as a cloke of maliciousness toward someone else, 1 Peter 2:16. For bretheren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not your liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another, Gal 5:13. But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumbing block to them that are weak, 1 Cor 8:9. But when you sin so against the brethren, and wound their week conscience, ye sin against Christ, 1 Cor 8:12
 
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Jerome said:
SBTS President Albert Mohler preaching on alcohol, addresses the faulty assumptions, etc. of the 'booze booster' crowd:

http://www.sbts.edu/resources/lectures/school-council/alcohol-and-the-ministry/
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:thumbsup: Great link, thanks!

And then with tongue planted firmly in cheek...because I'm admittedly too stupid or hard-headed to keep out of the mire;

"He's old, what could he possibly know!!!" :BangHead:

And;

"Don'tcha' know that alcohol is the new and favored hipster-doofus-christian holy water? It'll heal all your harms, make your hurting heart perfectly happy, fix all your family problems and make you less of a sinner...it even kills vampires, zombies and werewolves aaaaaaaaand it'll clean the nasty dirty gunk that collects on almost any surface. And don't forget this one, it's really good for brain, kidney and liver tissue and only improves motor function, digestion and cognitive skills. See! No down side! No harm, no foul! So go out today, buy a tanker-truck full of it, it's the modern equivalent to D. B. Rielly's Premium Snake Oil. So drink up, be merry, be healthy, it's all good all the time." :saint:
 
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12strings

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Nope. I don't imply things that I'm perfectly capable of saying. If I intend to say it, that's generally what you'll read.:laugh:

I argue that what is a sin?
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So do you believe it is a sin for a Christian today to drink a glass of wine at dinner?
 
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12strings

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salzer mtn said:
On television sometime they put on a advertisement recordings called rocking to the oldies. I find that listing to this kind of music of the 50's and 60's takes me back to when i was a rebellious teen, because you can relate music and lyrics to the sins you committed in your youth. If a person is not careful a desire will arise in your heart for the days of youth and wildness associated with your favorite tunes of yester year. Not only a desire of looking back but a since of fleshly pride fills your heart of remembering how good looking, or masculine, or tough you used to be. All of this is vain glory that fills ones heart as he listens to music that was designed to put ones mind back into the world.
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So if I am sitting in my room playing "A mighty Fortress" on my guitar with a fast strum that has emphasis on beats 2 & 4, and it reminds me that God will triumph over satan by his written and living Word, That's good? That's a relief, that it's all about what it reminds me of.


btw, Do you still disagree with Deuteronomy about God encouraging his people to rejoice in "oxen, sheep, wine, & strong drink."? I notice you have dropped that part of your argument.
 
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From a transcript of a radio interview about the issue:

And yet I will tell you up front that I know there are believing, faithful Christians who enjoy a glass of wine or do drink some beverage alcohol. And I cannot say in all persons in all circumstances it is sin for them as Christians to do that. There's no verse in the Bible that says 'thou shalt not drink alcoholic beverage, period.' So intellectual honesty...demands that we say there's no proof text in the Bible that says thou shalt not ever drink an alcoholic beverage.


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I just have to say I believe the safest position for a Christian is total abstinence...I belong to a church and denomination, and I serve as president of an institution that before God believes that the best position to hold is a total-abstinence position, in accountability to other Christians, and in accountability to the churches.
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I do not see here at all that Dr. Mohler says that alcohol is sinful but he holds a view that abstinence is the safest position. I will respect him on that.
 
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salzer mtn said:
Ann i'm glad you are re- thinking your position.
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What am I rethinking? The enjoying of a glass of wine is not sinful. A Christian having a beer is not contradictory to his faith.

However, when you are in ministry with an organization that does not allow you to partake, you do not do so. Additionally, in other cases, it might be best to not partake as well. But I do not believe it wrong for a believer to drink.
 
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Thomas Helwys

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I must say that I find the opposition to having an occasional glass of wine or beer amazing.

Consider this: It is a known scientific fact that too much saturated fat leads to heart disease and many kinds of cancer. You should limit saturated fat to no more than 15% of your diet, and yet Americans hog down 42% saturated fat!

I wonder if the people here opposed to having a glass of wine would be equally opposed to consumption of too much saturated fat since this does far more harm than a glass of wine or beer.

Or while you're lecturing us on the impropriety and sinfulness of moderate drinking, are you wolfing down those bacon double cheeseburgers, pork chops, footlong hotdogs, and milkshakes?
 
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Tom Butler

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Allow me a momentary distraction from an otherwise good discussion.

It is an observation I read years ago that we are in a different time now.

Jews can eat pork
Catholics can eat meat on Friday
Baptists can drink in front of each other.
 
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Tom Butler

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Thomas Helwys said:
I must say that I find the opposition to having an occasional glass of wine or beer amazing.

Consider this: It is a known scientific fact that too much saturated fat leads to heart disease and many kinds of cancer. You should limit saturated fat to no more than 15% of your diet, and yet Americans hog down 42% saturated fat!

I wonder if the people here opposed to having a glass of wine would be equally opposed to consumption of too much saturated fat since this does far more harm that a glass of wine or beer.

Or while you're lecturing us on the impropriety and sinfulness of moderate drinking, are you wolfing down those bacon double cheeseburgers, pork chops, footlong hotdogs, and milkshakes?
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You were doing just fine on wine and beer, until you brought up the double cheeseburgers. Now you've quit preachin' and gone to meddlin':laugh:
 
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salzer mtn said:
If you had read the scripture i put up you would know. The only reason i think the land would soon after turn from a land of milk and honey to a dried up parched land is because of Israels disobediance.
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If the first sentence is meant to be a bit snippy, there's no need for it to be. It was more of a question asked than a point made.

These verses mention drought and the use of wells. Granted I only skimmed over them, but I didn't see much to answer what I wondered. So...I asked.
 
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